Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

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Dasheesh
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Post Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:51 am

ha! if you've seen what i've seen. there will be no DAW in 10 years. you put an apparatus on your head like a crown of thorns, you think it and broadcast it to the world through specific apps. all of which (the crown, the software, the hosting, the broadcasting, the mastering, and the listening) comes a nominal fee of course, set by the "union of what you are allowed to hear."

reggie1979
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462 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:11 pm

vurt wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:40 am
fo sho!
hit me!
one time... two time..
wave your hands in the air!
blunt
bling
cheddar/bread/dough
bitchez/hoz

all included in the new rap pack from people stuck in the 90s :D
Too many words. The one we can't say 50-1000 times per song is missing though.

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vurt
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Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:14 pm

reggie1979 wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:11 pm
The one we can't say 50-1000 times per song is missing though.
yeah. i aint going there :o :scared:

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vurt
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Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:15 pm

Dasheesh wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:51 am
ha! if you've seen what i've seen in my acid tinged dreams. there will be no DAW in 10 years. you put an apparatus on your head like a crown of thorns, you think it and broadcast it to the world through specific apps. all of which (the crown, the software, the hosting, the broadcasting, the mastering, and the listening) comes a nominal fee of course, set by the "union of what you are allowed to hear."
ftfy :)

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kelldammit
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1129 posts since 10 Apr, 2006

Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:25 pm

Re: AI...it's already happenend. LANDR, anyone?

for the rest, if it goes like government or medical tech, it'll be more AI and probably software as a service (your daw runs on amazon cloud or ms azure or whatever, and you can scale performance based on your needs and budget).

otherwise, i dunno, since the late 90's it's just been incremental changes to "record/manipulate audio & midi"...so i'm not anticipating any huge game-changers in that regard.
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reggie1979
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462 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:56 pm

Exactly. There isn't much to do other than workflow improvements.

HunterKiller
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2041 posts since 10 Mar, 2006

Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:27 pm

vurt wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:01 am
HunterKiller wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:56 am
Timfonie wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:12 am
To summarize:

Even more abundance, software wise.
Lots of AI.
Lots of subscriptions in less open systems.

Too easy to create songs <-- while --> Almost impossible to even get noticed.

Too many people want to create <-- while --> Too few want to listen what others produce (with the help of AI).

We've already passed the hey days of music production.

We'll be living in the digital age of plenty where we can't be sure if a human or AI created a song.

Expect the reappraisal of live music. Acoustic live music in particular. You can't fool it's created by (the help of) a AI DAW!
The embrace of AI is pretty much anti-music, as music's whole purpose is to express emotion and a non-intellectual aspect of human beings that is impossible to capture with tangible/visible forms of communication such as writing, film, architecture...

As a machine is emotionless, AI creating structures which should only be created by humans is anti-music, as it is anti-human. It defeats the whole point from the foundation.
It doesn't matter if it can mimic human behavior perfectly, who cares about that!

(The test of life is not whether machines can act human, but whether humans can transcend their corrupt nature and become good. That won't happen through machines, as it just adds another layer of seeming complexity, which is the final distraction and really the doom of humankind. The human body is actually far more complex than anything humans have ever created, so combining machine with flesh is actually going back in the direction of primitivism.)

When things become to easy to do, it defeats the point of life. Life was meant to be a test, it's what determines character - who is truly behind the flesh. Taking that away, in every sphere of life actually subverts humans further, because it gives power to their corruption.

So even having AI help you with you composition is taking away from what you ARE, who you are, and what you are trying to say and how you say it. You are no longer a musician, but a computer fiddler, you no longer have any skill, to demonstrate which comes from you, as everyone else can do the same. In life one should struggle: you should battle with yourself and have to sacrifice yourself in order to gain. It's what makes you stronger, and the way you do it, is what determines who you are and what you (can) become.

Those deluded by technology will push in the direction of making humans less human and more machine-like, so that one simply CANNOT live in society without the technology around and in them, and this has already seen been seen in advertising, where soft-put downs are used for people using older technology or ways, as a way to get people to move on and accept new technology and new ways of doing things. All the while decreasing human uniqueness by homogenizing everything and everyone, so that no dissenting voices are even able to be heard, in a surveillance society.

As music is supposed to represents the core essence of who one is without defining it in a graspable sense, what will happen when what is supposed to exist and live in a non-intellectual, non-standardized realm, becomes reduced to easy mathematical formulas, social-laws, profit (because you belong to something or are connected up to it), and worldly fashions?

It's the death of true art. What remains is an sick environment where all are screaming for attention, and the "art" which is no longer art, becomes grotesque and non-beneficial to anyone - an expression of the suppression of humanity and the liberation of corruption.
where do you stand on sex-bots?
Like drugs and alcohol, like tyrannical doctrines, like materialism, like immorality, like over-dependence on incursive technology, like weapons and weapons of mass destruction - detrimental to human life and to the planet. When you corrupt a person, in various different ways (of which sexuality is the one of the most powerful), his/her chances of getting out of that corrupt way of existence are much lowered, because they themselves no longer see themselves as corrupt, unless they've known a better way once long ago, or encounter that better way and have a change of heart - because within them they could sense something missing. But not all are able to penetrate the programming, they instead go deeper and deeper into the darkness, because they perceive it as the light.
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telecode
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554 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada

Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:04 am

Maybe Steinberg and Bitwig will turn into an Alysia app? An app geared for the new music maker creative type? :-)

https://www.withalysia.com/
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vurt
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Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:22 am

HunterKiller wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:27 pm
vurt wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:01 am
HunterKiller wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:56 am
Timfonie wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:12 am
To summarize:

Even more abundance, software wise.
Lots of AI.
Lots of subscriptions in less open systems.

Too easy to create songs <-- while --> Almost impossible to even get noticed.

Too many people want to create <-- while --> Too few want to listen what others produce (with the help of AI).

We've already passed the hey days of music production.

We'll be living in the digital age of plenty where we can't be sure if a human or AI created a song.

Expect the reappraisal of live music. Acoustic live music in particular. You can't fool it's created by (the help of) a AI DAW!
The embrace of AI is pretty much anti-music, as music's whole purpose is to express emotion and a non-intellectual aspect of human beings that is impossible to capture with tangible/visible forms of communication such as writing, film, architecture...

As a machine is emotionless, AI creating structures which should only be created by humans is anti-music, as it is anti-human. It defeats the whole point from the foundation.
It doesn't matter if it can mimic human behavior perfectly, who cares about that!

(The test of life is not whether machines can act human, but whether humans can transcend their corrupt nature and become good. That won't happen through machines, as it just adds another layer of seeming complexity, which is the final distraction and really the doom of humankind. The human body is actually far more complex than anything humans have ever created, so combining machine with flesh is actually going back in the direction of primitivism.)

When things become to easy to do, it defeats the point of life. Life was meant to be a test, it's what determines character - who is truly behind the flesh. Taking that away, in every sphere of life actually subverts humans further, because it gives power to their corruption.

So even having AI help you with you composition is taking away from what you ARE, who you are, and what you are trying to say and how you say it. You are no longer a musician, but a computer fiddler, you no longer have any skill, to demonstrate which comes from you, as everyone else can do the same. In life one should struggle: you should battle with yourself and have to sacrifice yourself in order to gain. It's what makes you stronger, and the way you do it, is what determines who you are and what you (can) become.

Those deluded by technology will push in the direction of making humans less human and more machine-like, so that one simply CANNOT live in society without the technology around and in them, and this has already seen been seen in advertising, where soft-put downs are used for people using older technology or ways, as a way to get people to move on and accept new technology and new ways of doing things. All the while decreasing human uniqueness by homogenizing everything and everyone, so that no dissenting voices are even able to be heard, in a surveillance society.

As music is supposed to represents the core essence of who one is without defining it in a graspable sense, what will happen when what is supposed to exist and live in a non-intellectual, non-standardized realm, becomes reduced to easy mathematical formulas, social-laws, profit (because you belong to something or are connected up to it), and worldly fashions?

It's the death of true art. What remains is an sick environment where all are screaming for attention, and the "art" which is no longer art, becomes grotesque and non-beneficial to anyone - an expression of the suppression of humanity and the liberation of corruption.
where do you stand on sex-bots?
Like drugs and alcohol, like tyrannical doctrines, like materialism, like immorality, like over-dependence on incursive technology, like weapons and weapons of mass destruction - detrimental to human life and to the planet. When you corrupt a person, in various different ways (of which sexuality is the one of the most powerful), his/her chances of getting out of that corrupt way of existence are much lowered, because they themselves no longer see themselves as corrupt, unless they've known a better way once long ago, or encounter that better way and have a change of heart - because within them they could sense something missing. But not all are able to penetrate the programming, they instead go deeper and deeper into the darkness, because they perceive it as the light.
well i wont send you an invitation to my digital drug fuelled robot orgies :)
just trying to get an idea on numbers...

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Bombadil
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Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:28 am

Will you have dragons with tits?
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vurt
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Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:30 am

:hihi:

yup and an orc with a strap on attached to his head for anyone who wants an angry unicorn.

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Bombadil
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Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:40 am

Vurtworld!
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jancivil
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18280 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:16 pm

Too easy to create songs
Almost impossible to even get noticed.

We've already passed the hey days of music production.
"music production".

No, really there is all sorts of teeming activity among the intellectually curious and creative musicians in this world today; technology brings out all sides, the access to information is a boon to so many. We can narrow our field of vision to suit our sense of our own importance or we can be the f**k open to what there is. "music production" - not musicianship, not composition, "production". Yeah, you can say to yourself "ima produce some beats" and do next-to-nothing, too easy;
but one has not really produced anything in the real sense, one has grabbed some material and glued it together in a hurry to gratify their ego. This just digs ruts for you at every turn.

We might get noticed for the right reasons, if we try to create something authentically rather than vomit up a copy of some shit which has shown to obtain approbation among a high number of people (who don't have a lot of interest beyond being <just like the others> really); if we can stand out for the quality of the work we might be "noticed". Is that the actual first goal, being noticed? In preference to keeping your head down and doing your best you, that is. OTOH if you want money for it you have to find a common ground, a sort of universality. Some people are in it for profit, and some people want social status from it. These are different behaviors than doing music. Music doesn't have a heyday; people do, people might have a pinnacle or a nadir: music doesn't care.

What were these - heydays is one word, nb - days where "we" peaked and it's all downhill? Music is infinite, there's no stopping music, this shit is passing silly to assert. I'm not in your 'we', whatsoever. None of it would be my problem, it's about the music.

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mgw38
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1546 posts since 26 Jul, 2015 from Philadelphia

Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:49 pm

HunterKiller wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:56 am
As a machine is emotionless, AI creating structures which should only be created by humans is anti-music, as it is anti-human. It defeats the whole point from the foundation.
It doesn't matter if it can mimic human behavior perfectly, who cares about that!
That is a bit of an oversimplification. At this point AIs no longer mimic human behavior, they exhibit behavior on their own, albeit without being self aware. At least at this point. Current deep learning algorithms are are capable of creating independently from human intervention. Whether you want to call this form of creativity anti-human or not is a different story. And wether it will actually matter if something is anti-human in this sense is also open to debate. I would argue that at some point we will no longer be able to distinguish.

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Tj Shredder
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2483 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

Post Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:12 pm

mgw38 wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:49 pm
I would argue that at some point we will no longer be able to distinguish.
Until musicians start to become creative again... AI can easily produce a given style. 90% of todays music produced by humans has a boringly lack of creativity. AI will have no problem to produce that shit easily...

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