Studio One 4.1.4 - V - Reason 10.3 - |Performance Compared|
- KVRist
- 452 posts since 23 Apr, 2006 from Berlin
I actually get worse performance with the Maximum setting. And I get dropouts with 130 instances while the Minimum setting runs fine...
In Cubase the higher the setting the larger the "background" buffer as far as I know.
In Cubase the higher the setting the larger the "background" buffer as far as I know.
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- KVRAF
- 1858 posts since 26 Nov, 2018
I don't have the desk for that. Of course you know that key to inspiration.EnochLight wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:07 pmI feel you. I used to miss Impact XT as well, until I bought an actual Akai MPC Live. Now I just my MPC Live running the MPC Software as a VST plugin in Reason. I can't get inspired in Studio One or Reaper.reggie1979 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:57 pm Then again I really miss impact xt in Studio One, I'm hopeless.
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- KVRist
- 84 posts since 21 Aug, 2007
This and this only.Distorted Horizon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:02 pmReason doesn't perform as well with vsti's as some other daw that has been optimizing for years.. Fine.. Now to the real world: How often do you need over 54 instances of Hive? I don't. If it EVER happens, I can bounce stuff that doesn't need midi open.THE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:27 pm Ran the test in Reason with hyperthreading also enabled today at 512 samples, which improved the number of instances up to about 54..
Conclusion? Your test is waste of time (at least for me).
/end of fanboi rant
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- KVRAF
- 1858 posts since 26 Nov, 2018
Well, you said "for me" which simply means it's an opinion. Bottom line is that discussions are a waste of time 90-some percent. But we are discussion/result oriented people so it's normal to have a test like this.Distorted Horizon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:02 pmReason doesn't perform as well with vsti's as some other daw that has been optimizing for years.. Fine.. Now to the real world: How often do you need over 54 instances of Hive? I don't. If it EVER happens, I can bounce stuff that doesn't need midi open.THE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:27 pm Ran the test in Reason with hyperthreading also enabled today at 512 samples, which improved the number of instances up to about 54..
Conclusion? Your test is waste of time (at least for me).
/end of fanboi rant
I do agree that I'd likely never use that many of something, although for my own reasons I do have a doodle that uses quite a few (25?) Antidotes. Sometimes it runs, sometimes it gives me the finger
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- KVRian
- 994 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
Just do what I do, and own 9 DAWs. (Seriously not suggesting this as a proper idea, but... yeah)reggie1979 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:57 pmI like reaper ok and feel that with that and my nektar I get enough control, but I still work more in Reason.EnochLight wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:48 pmReaper? Sure - you're supposed to buy it - but the "demo" works 100% even after 60 days. You just get a nag screen.
Then again I really miss impact xt in Studio One, I'm hopeless.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3315 posts since 30 Dec, 2014
That's pretty weird, what audio interface are you using ?
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- KVRAF
- 35652 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I miss Groove Agent SE from Cubase. Best drum VSTi GUI ever.reggie1979 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:57 pm Then again I really miss impact xt in Studio One, I'm hopeless.
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- KVRian
- 994 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
Really? I looove Groove agent for its capabilities, but the gui irritates me (like a few other steinberg things do)chk071 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:01 amI miss Groove Agent SE from Cubase. Best drum VSTi GUI ever.reggie1979 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:57 pm Then again I really miss impact xt in Studio One, I'm hopeless.
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- KVRAF
- 1858 posts since 26 Nov, 2018
ShawnG wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:58 pmJust do what I do, and own 9 DAWs. (Seriously not suggesting this as a proper idea, but... yeah)reggie1979 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:57 pmI like reaper ok and feel that with that and my nektar I get enough control, but I still work more in Reason.EnochLight wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:48 pmReaper? Sure - you're supposed to buy it - but the "demo" works 100% even after 60 days. You just get a nag screen.
Then again I really miss impact xt in Studio One, I'm hopeless.
I've done that. I owned reaper for a long time I just never upgraded past 4 (I think it was 4) and now they are nearing 6 it looks like. I'm being a cheapskate and not pulling the trigger on echobode until the demo is over
If I used reaper a lot, I'd plunk. Other than farting around I just don't really use it.
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- KVRAF
- 1858 posts since 26 Nov, 2018
Maybe midi controlling I find that to be the MOST irritating thing with Cubase. Mostly it's ace.ShawnG wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:10 amReally? I looove Groove agent for its capabilities, but the gui irritates me (like a few other steinberg things do)chk071 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:01 amI miss Groove Agent SE from Cubase. Best drum VSTi GUI ever.reggie1979 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:57 pm Then again I really miss impact xt in Studio One, I'm hopeless.
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- KVRian
- 994 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
It is. When the purpose is pure curiosity, and not simply to dump all over your former DAW...spacepluk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:48 pm
It's fun to measure these things even though it's a completely unrealistic scenario. I also find that Reason's performance is very impressive taking into account the kind of routing it allows and that it's much harder (impossible?) to implement optimization tricks like in S1 and Cubase.
Just my 2c
Interesting that you are getting roughly similar instances in S1 as the OP claims, but way more from Reason than he, at more demanding settings than he claims to be running.
Also pretty surprising with the Cubase results, wouldn’t have thought it.
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- KVRian
- 994 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
My first “real” DAW was cubase 5 VST (which is not the same as Cubase 5 that came out 10 years ago, this was around 2000-2001 era). And Steinberg has come a Long, Long way in that time to having an interface that can be manipulated by a human being with feelings and independant thought. Any quibbles I have with their interfaces now, are very minor in comparison.reggie1979 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:28 amMaybe midi controlling I find that to be the MOST irritating thing with Cubase. Mostly it's ace.ShawnG wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:10 amReally? I looove Groove agent for its capabilities, but the gui irritates me (like a few other steinberg things do)chk071 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:01 amI miss Groove Agent SE from Cubase. Best drum VSTi GUI ever.reggie1979 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:57 pm Then again I really miss impact xt in Studio One, I'm hopeless.
- KVRAF
- 2033 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA
Just a quick note that Cubase is only using the 512 sample buffer for live or real-time monitored tracks. For everything else during playback ASIO-Guard is probably running a 1024 or 2048 buffer (especially if set to High), so this puts the others at a disadvantage. Logic does this too, which is a great feature, but kind of promotes the idea that they’re somehow magically more efficient than everything else by a huge margin.spacepluk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:48 pm Ok, so I repeated the test this time without anything running in the background and using Reason 10.3, Studio One 4.1.4, and Cubase Pro 10.0.20.
Here are my results using a 512 sample buffer on a Razer Blade (late 2016 i7-6700HQ):
Reason 10.3 (hyperthreading on): ~100 instances
Studio One 4.1.4 (Minimum dropout): ~130 instances
Cubase Pro 10.0.20 (ASIO Guard high): ~170 instances
Beyond those numbers I started to hear dropouts in all of them.
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- KVRAF
- 1858 posts since 26 Nov, 2018
I only run at 64 buffer. I yam what I yam, and that is all that I yam!