I'm back with another video and this time I'll show the wavetable capabilities of MSF. Not only the basic functions, but how to import and create your own. I hope you find it useful.
Wavetables in MSoundfactory
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Chandlerhimself Chandlerhimself https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=318799
- KVRAF
- 1823 posts since 19 Dec, 2013 from Japan
My Youtube page https://www.youtube.com/user/GuitarChandler
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- KVRAF
- 2483 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
I'm having plenty of fun with wavetable (WT) in MSoundFactory. Originally I've started exploring WT in depth with very limitied Synths with respect to their wavetables capabilities. My goal was to reproduce a speach sample playback. Have done this with Zebralette, Thorn and Fathom, which only have 16 slots for each wavetable or only have "spectral" wavetables.
Anyway - From my Fathom Track for the KVR OneSynthChallenge (linked below) I have imported the sample of the word "cybernetic" in german pronounciation into MSoundFactory and it is quite fun to play with it.
Originaly the wavetable was created ike this:
1.) Use a text-2-speach processor balabola to get the original sample
2.) Use the import/resample function of Tone2 Icarus to make a wavetable from the wav
3.) Export the wavetable from Icarus. It's in the "2048 samples per single cycle slot" format which is used by many current wt synths like tone2 Icarus and Serum.
4.) Import the WT into MSoundFactory. Set up a pacth with it. The trick is to scan through the WT with a linear slowly rising Envelope which goes throught the WT slot after slot.
Find the "patch" which redroduces the word "cybernetic" attached. Please use a low F key to reproduce the word with "best" quality. Don't remember the exact octave. When you hit the right F note then the original sample is reproduced very well, otherwise it get's mikey moused... (the math behind this is, that for a certain F key the length of a single cycle slot is exactly 2048 samples which is the same as the cycle lenght of the export in number 3).
You might say - wow what a bloody hack. But in the OneSynthChallenge we are not allowed to use samples and therefore it's quite a cool effect to be able to reproduce words
And with Tools like Tone2 Icarus or Audioterm your samples get that special treat...
Last but not least - Here's the Track I did with Fathoms limited WT Oscillator: https://soundcloud.com/p-e-t-e-r-h/the-kybernetic-gods
Many of the rhythmic sounds you can hear in this track are produced by a rhythmic WT A which is in some way combined with a second WT B...I'll try tor reproduce some of these sounds as well and post them here.
Anyway - From my Fathom Track for the KVR OneSynthChallenge (linked below) I have imported the sample of the word "cybernetic" in german pronounciation into MSoundFactory and it is quite fun to play with it.
Originaly the wavetable was created ike this:
1.) Use a text-2-speach processor balabola to get the original sample
2.) Use the import/resample function of Tone2 Icarus to make a wavetable from the wav
3.) Export the wavetable from Icarus. It's in the "2048 samples per single cycle slot" format which is used by many current wt synths like tone2 Icarus and Serum.
4.) Import the WT into MSoundFactory. Set up a pacth with it. The trick is to scan through the WT with a linear slowly rising Envelope which goes throught the WT slot after slot.
Find the "patch" which redroduces the word "cybernetic" attached. Please use a low F key to reproduce the word with "best" quality. Don't remember the exact octave. When you hit the right F note then the original sample is reproduced very well, otherwise it get's mikey moused... (the math behind this is, that for a certain F key the length of a single cycle slot is exactly 2048 samples which is the same as the cycle lenght of the export in number 3).
You might say - wow what a bloody hack. But in the OneSynthChallenge we are not allowed to use samples and therefore it's quite a cool effect to be able to reproduce words
And with Tools like Tone2 Icarus or Audioterm your samples get that special treat... Last but not least - Here's the Track I did with Fathoms limited WT Oscillator: https://soundcloud.com/p-e-t-e-r-h/the-kybernetic-gods
Many of the rhythmic sounds you can hear in this track are produced by a rhythmic WT A which is in some way combined with a second WT B...I'll try tor reproduce some of these sounds as well and post them here.
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- KVRAF
- 2483 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
And here is a Patch which applies a "rhythmic" wavetable to a simple saw wave.
The wavetable is actually a collection of single cycle slots, each filled with different drum sample.
Now a LFO scans through this WT's slots and the result is used to frequency modulate the SAW.
Play for instance the notes D-1 and D together and you'll get a "nice" industrial pattern...
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Update: Added a 2nd Verison of the patch
The wavetable is actually a collection of single cycle slots, each filled with different drum sample.
Now a LFO scans through this WT's slots and the result is used to frequency modulate the SAW.
Play for instance the notes D-1 and D together and you'll get a "nice" industrial pattern...
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Update: Added a 2nd Verison of the patch
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122 - KVRAF
- 14339 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
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StrikerTheFoxy StrikerTheFoxy https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=412232
- KVRer
- 27 posts since 21 Jan, 2018
hopefully it will have .wav export for its wavetables to use in Serum
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- KVRist
- 460 posts since 25 Jan, 2016
Chandler (or anyone who knows),
Let's say that I have 2 single cycle waveforms and want to take 15 steps to move from one to the other, the first slowly becoming the second one. How would I save that as it's own wavetable for further experiments?
Perhaps I'm using the wrong terms, or using them incorrectly. I see each waveform (box in the wavetable) as a single cycle wave. The collected boxes are therefore the wavetable, Correct? If so, I would like to have a start and finish point and somehow insert blank boxes between them that will be filled to construct a wavetable. How would I achieve that in MSF?
Let's say that I have 2 single cycle waveforms and want to take 15 steps to move from one to the other, the first slowly becoming the second one. How would I save that as it's own wavetable for further experiments?
Perhaps I'm using the wrong terms, or using them incorrectly. I see each waveform (box in the wavetable) as a single cycle wave. The collected boxes are therefore the wavetable, Correct? If so, I would like to have a start and finish point and somehow insert blank boxes between them that will be filled to construct a wavetable. How would I achieve that in MSF?
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 15 Jun, 2017
Just 2 single cycle wave forms? Cross fade? Following Level1 + Level2 = 100%. In any number of steps. Controlling the relative levels of both waveforms/oscillators with any available modulator.werzel wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:45 pm Chandler (or anyone who knows),
Let's say that I have 2 single cycle waveforms and want to take 15 steps to move from one to the other, the first slowly becoming the second one.
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- KVRAF
- 2703 posts since 9 Jul, 2015 from UK
Serum suddenly jumps from one frame to the next. Therefore there are many frames to try and smooth this transition out. If you have a SAW in frame 1and a SINE in frame 2, then want to smoothly morph between them. You must interpolate over 512 frames (for example) so that you cant hear the steps.
In MSF it works differently. Simply add SAW in frame 1 and SINE in frame 2. It will automatically interpolate between the two shapes.
In MSF it works differently. Simply add SAW in frame 1 and SINE in frame 2. It will automatically interpolate between the two shapes.
Jason @ Melda Production
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 15 Jun, 2017
That will be using linear interpolation. With just 2 waves effectively a crossfade.jmg8 wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:44 pm In MSF it works differently. Simply add SAW in frame 1 and SINE in frame 2. It will automatically interpolate between the two shapes.
Using relative level modulation you can have any "interpolation" method or "curve" that modulation sources will allow you to construct (non-linear and/or dynamic if desired).
The number of "steps" is then only restricted by the resolution (number of discreet steps) of the (combined) modulation source(s) used.
BTW. Not saying one approach is better then the other. Just different in (im)possibilities.
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- KVRist
- 396 posts since 29 Aug, 2006 from Eta Carinae
Yes it isn't an audio cross-fade, it is waveform interpolation. When you mix a sine and a square with a cross-fade you will hear 50% of each at the mid-point. You won't get that with a wavetable approach.
Jim Hurley - experimental music
Windows 10 Pro (20H2 19042.662); i9-9900K@5.1GHz;
Cakewalk; Adam Audio A8X; Axiom 61
Windows 10 Pro (20H2 19042.662); i9-9900K@5.1GHz;
Cakewalk; Adam Audio A8X; Axiom 61
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- KVRAF
- 2000 posts since 5 Jan, 2003 from Brookings, OR
"relative level modulation"
What is this, please…?
How's it differ from Wave-knob modulation, and how exactly to achieve it with the available controls in any of the WT module panels (a pasted example would be great!)?
TIA
What is this, please…?
How's it differ from Wave-knob modulation, and how exactly to achieve it with the available controls in any of the WT module panels (a pasted example would be great!)?
TIA