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EvilDragon wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 5:46 pm
Jace-BeOS wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 4:34 pmThis is all I want. Thing is, they must have made the original assets at low resolution, otherwise why have they STILL not enlarged the rack UI? It’s likely not the re-coding of the GUI (which isn’t simple, I know), but the bitmaps needing recreation from scratch.
Better yet, drop the bitmaps and vectorize them as they are right now. Then they can be blown up to support any size and resolution. But that's tens of thousands of bitmaps and also fiddling with the core of the codebase as well.
Vector art tends to be done at bargain basement 90s clip art quality these days by lazy developers who don’t want to hire actual vector art skilled designers (notorious on iOS), but yes, there’s nothing really that visually complex in the Reason GUI that couldn’t be recreated in vector.

It would eat some CPU though (especially if they use a “bitmap to vector” converter that does a shitty brute force job), with the large number of lines/curves and gradient fills needed to faithfully reproduce the current designs. This is another reason why developers drop apps on the market with super shitty line drawings for GUIs. It’s not a huge CPU impact, but it’s definitely more than writing a set of static/animated/alpha-transparency bitmaps to screen. I can imagine users noticing increased CPU usage and complaining.

Maybe GPU can be utilized here, but that seems to present a huge kettle of bugs every time some developer attempts it (especially on Windows). Either way, this needs to be addressed by the industry some day soon. it should’ve been done by now, but...

Not that we will need to perpetually increase sizes. I expect there’s an upper limit to the resolution we can practically use (size of screens and pixel density won’t perpetually increase, though we don’t seem to be at the end of usable increases yet).
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Reason is unusable on my 32" 4K monitor.

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burkek wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:05 pm Reason is unusable on my 32" 4K monitor.

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I've got a 65" 4K monitor, and it's usable for me. I just use Windows app scaling to crank things up. Some of the text and knobs can be a blurr-fest, though, so I tend to stick to my old fashioned 26" twin 1080p displays.
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I have 27" curved with 1920x1080, and Reason is super tiny and blurry to me. I have a strong feeling, that Reason 11 will fix these problems!

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keel wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:37 pm I have 27" curved with 1920x1080, and Reason is super tiny and blurry to me. I have a strong feeling, that Reason 11 will fix these problems!
Have you tried running it with 125% app scaling?
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EnochLight wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:42 pm
keel wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:37 pm I have 27" curved with 1920x1080, and Reason is super tiny and blurry to me. I have a strong feeling, that Reason 11 will fix these problems!
Have you tried running it with 125% app scaling?
Yeah, it just makes everything even more blurry. :ud:

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keel wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:37 pm I have 27" curved with 1920x1080, and Reason is super tiny and blurry to me.
I wonder how far you are sitting away from your monitor... i sit about 70 cm's from my 24" full HD, and i never had an issue with application's GUI's.

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keel wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:49 pm
EnochLight wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:42 pm
keel wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:37 pm I have 27" curved with 1920x1080, and Reason is super tiny and blurry to me. I have a strong feeling, that Reason 11 will fix these problems!
Have you tried running it with 125% app scaling?
Yeah, it just makes everything even more blurry. :ud:
have you tried specsavers?
:ud:

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vurt wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 7:03 pm
keel wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:49 pm
EnochLight wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:42 pm
keel wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 6:37 pm I have 27" curved with 1920x1080, and Reason is super tiny and blurry to me. I have a strong feeling, that Reason 11 will fix these problems!
Have you tried running it with 125% app scaling?
Yeah, it just makes everything even more blurry. :ud:
have you tried specsavers?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah that seems strange. I'm on dual monitors that are a similar size and the same resolution, and at 125% app scaling Reason is perfectly fine. Certainly not so blurry I can't get stuff done, anyway.
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It depends on how comfortable you are looking at blurry stuff. I’m not comfortable with it. Retina displays and their sharp text has not just spoiled me, it has also helped me. I’m near-sighted and hate how blurry graphics/text makes me squint habitually (which doesn’t help fix images and text that are blurry by design).

It also depends on your eyesight. Young people without need for eye correction might find tiny GUIs and text fine on huge and high-resolution displays. I do not. People with ginormous displays can do scaling and then sit back and pretend things aren’t as blurry as they really are. I personally hate sitting far from my displays because I hate wearing eye correction for ALL HOURS. I wear “computer glasses” (should be doing that now) to reduce the strain of using my normal glasses while doing near work (and I actually have to take them off at a certain close distance, now that I’m in my 40s).
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See, this is where I get confused. I have Reason on a 27" monitor and it's not blurry or small or any of that. My res is 1080 x 1920 I believe.

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When stating whether or not the GUI looks good on your system, it would be helpful to include:
1) PPI
2) OS scaling level (if applicable)
3) Distance from monitor.

https://www.sven.de/dpi/

I find that 80-90PPI / 3ft from monitor / 100% scaling is generally very usable with 8pt fonts or better... the issue is that many Reason modules appear to use a ~6pt font. Due to this, Reason looks a heck of a lot more usable (to me) with a PPI around 75 or lower.

Windows anti-aliasing at anything other than multiples of 100% zoom (200%/300%/400%) looks like crap IMO, so bumping up to something like 120 or 140% is not acceptable due to lack of text clarity.

My setup:
50" monitor @ 3840x2160
88.12 PPI
100% scaling
3ft from monitor

I would need to scale to ~120% in order to bring Reason's small fonts up to a usable PPI range, but the text looks bad so I'd rather just squint and lean in until they release a larger interface.

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Back in 2010 I came up with this basic node design, in 2012 I replaced the default devices with RE's. Today though, I think they should abandon the rack system which is almost 20 years old now, and have it all based on a node network which is able to be easily scaled. Future RE's should be able to scale up to 4K - 8K resolution and be as VST instruments. A complete redesign of the current GUI and a move to the way Presonus Studio One mixing console works... simple, clean, and flexible with the old SSL mixer as a legacy VST device that can be routed into for compatibility. You can then fix the rest of the old legacy stuff in the process like that archaic Regroove mixer...and other things in this process.

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THE INTRANCER wrote: Wed May 01, 2019 7:48 pm Today though, I think they should abandon the rack system which is almost 20 years old now, and have it all based on a node network
LMAO!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Um... yeah I’ll pass on that. Reason’s rack is literally its USP. Otherwise we’d all settle for more of the boring old same, like Studio One... oh wait... :lol: :party:
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USP= Useless Software Part...? Yup...I'd agree with that now in 2019, where resolutions are concerned.
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