Super 8 - New polysynth by Native Instruments

[v1o]

Without complex modulations or effects processing they sound mostly the the same to me.

This kind of comparisons doesn't make sense to me. It's always possible to get similar results, especially with static sounds. Moog, ARP, Roland, Oberheim, whatever.

That's the reason why original vs. emulation comparison also not make much sense. Create a complete track with only one synth (incl. modulations) and you hear the difference.....

The problem is that's its difficult to match sounds once you introduce complex modulations. As the modulations behave quite differently on the different VSTs. They have different internal gain structures and the parameter ranges are not same. But the raw sound of the oscs and filters is not all that different.

[chk071]

Humans didn’t just recently learn how to complain. We come out of the womb crying.

True, but, i don't think i ever heard or read so much complaining as in the 2010's.

[gentleclockdivider]

OPinions are like assholes bala bla etc..
But those saying that S8 it sounds like a generic plugin will probably never be able to separate a great sounding plug from a mediocre one .
Super 8 sounds fantastic , just one square osc into the filter and you'll notice it immediately ...this thing moves air .
A lot of detail went into the amp stage as well , it really sounds alive
Well don N.I.

Its Placebo. I've done just that (put a simple wave form into a filter) in my previous post. The differences only come about when you start modulating things and using the onboard effects.

I don't agree
PLaying a few notes , a soft decaying filter envelope and a bit of filter /amp release ..no effects
It's sounds great and has some real heft to it
If the developers would chime in and explain in detail how the modelling was done , some would still say it's placebo .
Anyway , I trust my ears ( and headphones )

[gentleclockdivider]

Without complex modulations or effects processing they sound mostly the the same to me.

This kind of comparisons doesn't make sense to me. It's always possible to get similar results, especially with static sounds. Moog, ARP, Roland, Oberheim, whatever.

That's the reason why original vs. emulation comparison also not make much sense. Create a complete track with only one synth (incl. modulations) and you hear the difference.....

But the raw sound of the oscs and filters is not all that different.

That 's why I said that I think there is some modelling done in the amp stage .
And not just a simple gain multiplication

[pixel85]

no one is busy enough that that step is meaningful though.
if that one step is all that's stopping people, im guessing the problem isnt with reaktor...

It sure becomes meaningful if you have 100 tracks in your project.

And mind you, I use Reaktor. I'm just saying I can understand people's displeasure with certain aspects of the work environment, not the least of which is the horrendous preset management system.

It's meaningful for people with 100 tracks in the project but they somehow manage to have time to discuss bs like eg. Reaktor vs SE on KVR or produce thousands of posts in just a few years. But yeah, opening Reaktor consume too much time!

[pixel85]

But anyway... after a short test I really like Pads preset section. Very rich full sounding synth. Maybe it's not great synth for sound designers but it's a pleasure to play with it even just for fun. It is one of those synths that sound great without any 3rd party processing.

[wagtunes]

no one is busy enough that that step is meaningful though.
if that one step is all that's stopping people, im guessing the problem isnt with reaktor...

It sure becomes meaningful if you have 100 tracks in your project.

And mind you, I use Reaktor. I'm just saying I can understand people's displeasure with certain aspects of the work environment, not the least of which is the horrendous preset management system.

It's meaningful for people with 100 tracks in the project but they somehow manage to have time to discuss bs like eg. Reaktor vs SE on KVR or produce thousands of posts in just a few years. But yeah, opening Reaktor consume too much time!

How many posts is irrelevant to how much music I've created in 42 years.

But by all means, join in on the "how do be a douche bag on KVR" parade.

[pdxindy]

no one is busy enough that that step is meaningful though.
if that one step is all that's stopping people, im guessing the problem isnt with reaktor...

It sure becomes meaningful if you have 100 tracks in your project.

And mind you, I use Reaktor. I'm just saying I can understand people's displeasure with certain aspects of the work environment, not the least of which is the horrendous preset management system.

It's meaningful for people with 100 tracks in the project but they somehow manage to have time to discuss bs like eg. Reaktor vs SE on KVR or produce thousands of posts in just a few years. But yeah, opening Reaktor consume too much time!

It's not just opening Reaktor... The preset system aint so good, the GUI does not scale in size, there is a CPU hit just because it is in Reaktor.

People are right that even all of that is not a huge deal... however, when we users have so many great synths to choose from today, sometimes even just little things can decide it.

And for me, I know as soon as a new Reaktor synth is announced, that it will not support MPE and that matters to me.

[telecode]

do ppl still buy CD's?

apparently not in canada.

yup. i can vouch for that. i am the only one and all my friends and family thought i was insane. oh well, not my problem then don't understand the wonders of collecting 4AD and Cherry Red Records catalog titles.

[telecode]

Idea: make Reaktor synth threads Reaktor-based so they require too many clicks to get to for people who don't like using Reaktor as a synth host.

Golden!

Okay. So to rein in this thread back on ground ... if I am considering upgrading to K12 this year, Super 8 *will not* be included. And if I don't want to use Reactor b/c I think its too complicated and if I like Super 8 and want to make "wub wub" sound with it, I should buy it now otherwise wait until 2020 for it to be included in K13?

[Dasheesh]

the last thing i thought of when i saw it was wub wub, that's your world. this a players thing. set it and play it.

[ShawnG]

My approach with NI's stuff as a Komplete owner (k11u presently) is that I know that eventually I will own it, one way or another. The stuff I really can't wait for the big upgrade for (which has been a short list, and this one I do not believe will be making it) I buy, and then sell on the marketplace prior to buying my komplete upgrade that includes it. And if you can, wait for one of NI's half price sales around the holidays.

[AnX]

Idea: make Reaktor synth threads Reaktor-based so they require too many clicks to get to for people who don't like using Reaktor as a synth host.

Golden!

Okay. So to rein in this thread back on ground ... if I am considering upgrading to K12 this year, Super 8 *will not* be included. And if I don't want to use Reactor b/c I think its too complicated and if I like Super 8 and want to make "wub wub" sound with it, I should buy it now otherwise wait until 2020 for it to be included in K13?

amazing deduction of the blindingly obvious

[kovacs]

Okay. So to rein in this thread back on ground ... if I am considering upgrading to K12 this year, Super 8 *will not* be included. And if I don't want to use Reactor b/c I think its too complicated and if I like Super 8 and want to make "wub wub" sound with it, I should buy it now otherwise wait until 2020 for it to be included in K13?

Computer says no.

[LoveEnigma18]

Idea: make Reaktor synth threads Reaktor-based so they require too many clicks to get to for people who don't like using Reaktor as a synth host.

Golden!

Okay. So to rein in this thread back on ground ... if I am considering upgrading to K12 this year, Super 8 *will not* be included. And if I don't want to use Reactor b/c I think its too complicated and if I like Super 8 and want to make "wub wub" sound with it, I should buy it now otherwise wait until 2020 for it to be included in K13?

It is going to be a Reaktor-based synth irrespective of that, so if you like it, buy it NOW! But perhaps use an e-voucher if you have one.

And of course, as I mentioned earlier, use it with Komplete Kontrol. I have created a preset in FL Studio with Super 8 (demo for now) loaded in Komplete Kontrol so that I could launch it just like any other synth.