Live 10.1 out of beta now

[lnikj]

The CV tools are the most interesting thing to me yet they don't mention them in the promo stuff. Strange.

CV Tools didn't make it, it is still on beta, same version as 3 weeks ago.

Oh

Thanks. I guess I will carry on running the beta then, rather than the release version. You saved me a big download

Out of interest, why? CV Tools is just another pack, and while it needs 10.1, its not restricted to the 10.1 beta.

Good thinking Batman !

[ictools]

Haven't seen it in action yet, does it not show both the VST2 and VST3 versions in the browser?

Yep, the VST2 & 3 are both in the 'plugins' tab, but are split into two subsections like so:



(Your VST2s being in the VST subsection, and VST3 in the ... you guessed it! - VST3 subsection)

On a side note, did they finally address the issue with displaying multiple WaveShells?

[mcbpete]

Nope, but alas I think that's Waves' silly nonsense that they need to sort out (I think mine has grown to 6 wavesHELLs now!), as in my VST2 and VST3 folders in the Program Files directory there are multiple .dll files for each of the waveshells. So Ableton is correctly interpreting them as separate subfolders, but why Waves is making all these dlls I have no idea !

[ictools]

Nope, but alas I think that's Waves' silly nonsense that they need to sort out (I think mine has grown to 6 wavesHELLs now!), as in my VST2 and VST3 folders in the Program Files directory there are multiple .dll files for each of the waveshells. So Ableton is correctly interpreting them as separate subfolders, but why Waves is making all these dlls I have no idea !

I'm not concerned with the directories themselves, because most DAWs don't display that internal information. I'm more curious about the DAWs browser, where it counts for searching purposes.

[JoeCat]

Now that I got the install working, I can be ecstatic!

This is why, when Ableton does a paid upgrade to Live like 10, I tend to counter the "it's not enough of a feature release to be worth the $" argument with "not yet, maybe, but wait". A lot of seemingly little features like freezing w/ sidechain and bouncing with sends/master are game-changes for some people.

There's always a wish-list - DAWs are inherently complex - but the updates always tend to surprise with useful new features.

[MuzikFreq]

Ok found out how to get VST3 working...
DMS Ascension is still a mess... actually somehow more unstable. was sitting at 20% on a simple supersaw... then suddenly 30 then eventually 70%+ cpu.

That synth is... dead to me unless the devs update it

[drdriller]

I was surprised by that too - That was the reason I was going to update my default channel strip and master bus with VST3 equivalents but looks like you can do it with reg'lar VST2 plugins as well !

same here, was thinking about switching to vst3 for this only purpose

welcome to dynamic eq on each tracks, and my vocodex setup should also be easier.

[antic604]

SIDE CHAIN INPUT ON THIRD PARTY PLUGINS !!

i guess why this new feature is not more advertised, that is a game changer for me.

Probably because it's been available for ages in all the other DAWs and it's frankly quite embarrassing to advertise that it's only been added now?

[DJ Warmonger]

SIDE CHAIN INPUT ON THIRD PARTY PLUGINS !!
i guess why this new feature is not more advertised, that is a game changer for me.

Probably because it's been available for ages in all the other DAWs and it's frankly quite embarrassing to advertise that it's only been added now?

Woah woah, stop here for a moment. So is it an groundbreaking feature, or lack of actual feature so far? Is this why I wasn't able to set up 3rd-party sidechained plugins inside Ableton?

[antic604]

SIDE CHAIN INPUT ON THIRD PARTY PLUGINS !!
i guess why this new feature is not more advertised, that is a game changer for me.

Probably because it's been available for ages in all the other DAWs and it's frankly quite embarrassing to advertise that it's only been added now?

Woah woah, stop here for a moment. So is it an groundbreaking feature, or lack of actual feature so far? Is this why I wasn't able to set up 3rd-party sidechained plugins inside Ableton?

I know all my other DAWs - Bitwig, Reason, Cubase, S1 - have had this already for years, either directly on the VST device (Bitwig, Reason) or by adding a dedicated send (but one that did not needed additional return track).

In Live you had to set up an actual ghost track (e.g. a copy of kick channel, or a dedicated return track) and send it's output to VSTs sidechain input.

So yeah - it's was a lacking feature.

[chk071]

SIDE CHAIN INPUT ON THIRD PARTY PLUGINS !!

i guess why this new feature is not more advertised, that is a game changer for me.

Seriously? Live didn't have sidechain input for theird party plugins until now? And people complain about Studio One being immature. I'd especially thought that a electronic music orientated DAW had that from day one...

SIDE CHAIN INPUT ON THIRD PARTY PLUGINS !!

i guess why this new feature is not more advertised, that is a game changer for me.

Probably because it's been available for ages in all the other DAWs and it's frankly quite embarrassing to advertise that it's only been added now?

Yep...

[PieBerger]

SIDE CHAIN INPUT ON THIRD PARTY PLUGINS !!
i guess why this new feature is not more advertised, that is a game changer for me.

Probably because it's been available for ages in all the other DAWs and it's frankly quite embarrassing to advertise that it's only been added now?

Woah woah, stop here for a moment. So is it an groundbreaking feature, or lack of actual feature so far? Is this why I wasn't able to set up 3rd-party sidechained plugins inside Ableton?

I know all my other DAWs - Bitwig, Reason, Cubase, S1 - have had this already for years, either directly on the VST device (Bitwig, Reason) or by adding a dedicated send (but one that did not needed additional return track).

In Live you had to set up an actual ghost track (e.g. a copy of kick channel, or a dedicated return track) and send it's output to VSTs sidechain input.

So yeah - it's was a lacking feature.

Nested groups was a lacking feature for waay too long, but they still made a song and dance of it when it finally dropped. Guess they were all out of moves this time around

[m03]

Seriously? Live didn't have sidechain input for theird party plugins until now?

It did, but you had to create a separate track to do the routing from.

The new method saves like one keystroke though, so there's that.

[pottering]

Small thing, but just discovered the "Edit Value" in envelopes is not only for the breakpoints (as I foolishly assumed), but works for whole segments and selections when you hover the mouse over them.

Also, never thought it about it much since I only use Live, but one advantage of Wavetable now is that it can load the DRM'ed AIFF files from Live Packs directly (like from the Retro Synths Pack).

[pottering]

The artist ELPHNT just brought to my attention that there is a new MIDI triggered "Random" modulation source in Wavetable (it is in the MIDI section).

https://twitter.com/ELPHNTx/status/1134205919389261827