MPE solutions (Diva etc.)

[Howard]

Nice playing, himalaya

[EvilDragon]

Now if only we'd finally get release velocity as a mod source across all u-he synths

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Great example of release velocity too! Very tastefully done. Excellent stuff, Himalaya.

[pdxindy]

That makes a compelling argument for release velocity!

[scott_free]

Beautiful! Thank you for sharing, Himalaya.

pdxindy, thanks for the VST2 info. Appreciated!

[mozart999uk]

Those instructions are old and don't reflect the latest Diva updates which made it more MPE friendly.

1. Make sure you're using the latest Diva update
2. Open the Preferences in Diva
3. You'll see settings for "Control A" and "Control B"
4. The Y axis in Roli corresponds to CC74 - set either Control A or B to CC74 in the Diva preferences
5. Now assign Ctrl A (or B - whichever you assigned to CC74) to modulate filter cutoff

You should now have polyphonic control of the filter cutoff by moving your finger along the Y axis of your Roli.

Appreciate this is an old thread but could someone help me with this?

I went to prefs and set ctrl A to CC74.

With regards point 5: I went to "midi table" and under "Parameter" tried to find "cutoff" but couldn't see it.

[tasmaniandevil]

With regards point 5: I went to "midi table" and under "Parameter" tried to find "cutoff" but couldn't see it.

If you only set Ctrl A to CC74 in the preferences, then you either need to load a new instance of Diva, or also assign CC74 to Ctrl A on the MIDI table page.

The preferences will simply determine which controllers are used by default in any newly loaded instance of the plugin.

And don't assign the cutoff through the MIDI table, that's not how this works.
Go to the main synth page and then choose Ctrl A from the list of modulation sources for the filter cutoff.

[mozart999uk]

Got it thanks for explaining

[zerocrossing]

That makes a compelling argument for release velocity!

Release velocity is a really super useful.

[zerocrossing]

Equator uses LIFT extensively too. It's the first plugin that did it in the 'MPE' way.

Equator does... but I don't... I haven't found myself capable of effectively controlling release velocity while actually playing. My attempts to make use of it so influences how I play that it isn't useful to me. I'm just not skilled enough. I'd guess that is so for many people.

In that sense I don't care if u-he adds it cause I'm not able to use it.

I think the key (pun intended) to use it is to get yourself to imagine that you’re actually hitting an object in the way a piano hammer hits the strings. When I do this, it just sort of happens. Generally, I just use it to modulate release time. Even a little can make a patch feel so much more lively.

[pdxindy]

Equator uses LIFT extensively too. It's the first plugin that did it in the 'MPE' way.

Equator does... but I don't... I haven't found myself capable of effectively controlling release velocity while actually playing. My attempts to make use of it so influences how I play that it isn't useful to me. I'm just not skilled enough. I'd guess that is so for many people.

In that sense I don't care if u-he adds it cause I'm not able to use it.

I think the key (pun intended) to use it is to get yourself to imagine that you’re actually hitting an object in the way a piano hammer hits the strings. When I do this, it just sort of happens. Generally, I just use it to modulate release time. Even a little can make a patch feel so much more lively.

Bitwig has the AHD on Release modulator... I frequently use it. And now it can be per voice with the u-he CLAP synths! It is flexible so I can use initial velocity to control the strength of the Release Env if I don't want to deal with controlling release velocity while playing. Since it is an Env, you can make a slow attack to fade in what happens on note release. And of course you can modulate the Env parameters. It is more flexible than just using Release Velocity.

I used Bitwig's AHD on Release modulator on this sound.
https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/CLAP-Ace-12.mp3

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

That makes a compelling argument for release velocity!

Release velocity is a really super useful.

Urs confirmed recently for the first time that Release Velocity will be coming to U-he synths - at least, in relation to CLAP. Note: that doesn't mean it will be CLAP exclusive, it means, I just remember it coming up in a CLAP thread [if my memory isn't too fuzzy] and don't want to assume it will be in the VST2/3 versions - even though I think it would.

[Urs]

We're tentatively intending to collaborate with Expressive E, as their Osmose has been a revelation for us, when we tried prototype half a decade ago. In prep of that, we'll be doing full MPE support (less the rather unconventional mono MPE which requires a mindfuck to resolve) soon, that is Channel one as "super channel" and Release Velocity = zero until NoteOff, then a state scaled by release velocity.

[pdxindy]

We're tentatively intending to collaborate with Expressive E, as their Osmose has been a revelation for us, when we tried prototype half a decade ago. In prep of that, we'll be doing full MPE support (less the rather unconventional mono MPE which requires a mindfuck to resolve) soon, that is Channel one as "super channel" and Release Velocity = zero until NoteOff, then a state scaled by release velocity.

Does that also include their pressure weighted portamento implementation?

[Urs]

We're tentatively intending to collaborate with Expressive E, as their Osmose has been a revelation for us, when we tried prototype half a decade ago. In prep of that, we'll be doing full MPE support (less the rather unconventional mono MPE which requires a mindfuck to resolve) soon, that is Channel one as "super channel" and Release Velocity = zero until NoteOff, then a state scaled by release velocity.

Does that also include their pressure weighted portamento implementation?

That's patented, I don't think we get that. And I'm not sure it's such a great thing as it's impossible to get an instantaneous pitch IIRC.