U-he The Cat

[Teksonik]

theres nothing new in synthesis,

That you know of........

No telling what the future could hold if we'd stop looking at the past. There might just be a new form of synthesis right around the corner if someone puts the time and research in but we're too busy trying to emulate synths that have been surpassed years ago.

But I realize some people want emulations and developers want to sell plugins. Seems like a waste of potential to me but whatever pays the bills.......

Here's some gear porn for the hardware crowd........

[sleepcircle]

teksonik, i wish you would stop ignoring what i say. and also i wish you'd stop trying to be all snide and poke fun at anyone who disagrees with you, instead of engaging in a discussion like a regular person. if the only thing left to you is the re-posting of a single kind of sarcasm (which is to say: pretend enthusiasm for all the people "OBSESSED with OLD ANTIQUES"), then you are not improving the quality of the discussion.


@ghettosynth. i feel like you might've missed some of the more complicated, FM-synthesis-sounding parts, later on and in the other videos.

regardless, instruments are rarely made out of COMPLETELY BRAND NEW CONCEPTS. the saxophone was a wild new sound but it was still just a reed instrument, at its core.

EDIT: also it seems counterproductive to deride people for trying to come up with a new instrument concept. maybe it will end up being a niche-nerd instrument, but i feel like i'm trapped between two people here. one who says that anything that's been done before is played out, and one who says that trying anything TOO out-there is 'niche' and won't go anywhere.

actually, you know what? i think i've contributed all i possibly can, to this discussion. i'll see you all later.

[ghettosynth]

teksonik, i wish you would stop ignoring what i say. and also i wish you'd stop trying to be all snide and make fun of anyone who disagrees with you


anyway, @ghettosynth. i feel like you might've missed some of the more complicated, FM-synthesis-sounding parts, later on and in the other videos.

I saw enough, it's not "the future", and it is gimmicky and will have a very niche audience. Outside of weird sounds, which I like BTW, it doesn't sound good, in fact, it sounds quite bad. That's what I meant by nerd-niche.

regardless, instruments are rarely made out of COMPLETELY BRAND NEW CONCEPTS. the saxophone was a wild new sound but it was still just a reed instrument, at its core.

No doubt. I don't think that you need brand new concepts, I think that's something of a fool's errand. You need simple tweaks that yield interesting workflow. A Cat would be cool, modified, or strict. Having the cat filter in Diva would also be cool.

EDIT: also it seems counterproductive to deride people for TRYING to come up with a new concept. maybe it will end up being a niche-nerd instrument, but i feel like i'm trapped between two people here. one who says that anything that's been done before is played out, and one who says that anything too new is 'niche' and won't go anywhere.

You're misrepresenting my words. I didn't say that it was "played out." I said that the claims of originality are LOL worthy and that it has limited appeal. It's simply gimmicky and not as sonically clever as the devs think that it is. It's not, for example, like FM was in the 70s and 80s.

It also is very much like circuit bent instruments in that it's good at sounding bad but that doesn't often generalize into being able to reliably sound good.

[sleepcircle]

yes, i think it was the "LOL, it's not ORIGINAL" that threw me off.

it seemed like you were deriding it for not being original enough, when you were just deriding me for thinking it was. i apologize for the misunderstanding.

[ghettosynth]

yes, i think it was the "LOL, it's not ORIGINAL" that threw me off.

it seemed like you were deriding it for not being original enough, when you were just deriding me for thinking it was. i apologize for the misunderstanding.

Oh great, now I'm the asshole. But you're right, in my defense, I did literally LOL at the concept. Don't get me wrong, if I had one in front of me, I'd play with it, I might even do a track with it, but I wouldn't part with $1200 to have one.

[Greenstorm33]

How easily triggered fans of ancient hardware can be........

They who are quick to label everyone "triggered" may in fact themselves be triggered.

-Ancient internet proverb

[sleepcircle]

Oh great, now I'm the asshole. But you're right, in my defense, I did literally LOL at the concept. Don't get me wrong, if I had one in front of me, I'd play with it, I might even do a track with it, but I wouldn't part with $1200 to have one.

yeah, i could only really justify buying something like that if i was like aphex twin or boards of canada or some group that had made hundreds of thousands of dollars pushing the envelope. as it is, i'm just some rando in his bedroom.

[AnX]

theres nothing new in synthesis,

That you know of........

No telling what the future could hold if we'd stop looking at the past. There might just be a new form of synthesis right around the corner if someone puts the time and research in but we're too busy trying to emulate synths that have been surpassed years ago.

But I realize some people want emulations and developers want to sell plugins. Seems like a waste of potential to me but whatever pays the bills.......

if anyone else knows of a new form of synthesis, im happy to try it....

maybe ppl love the sounds of the old synths, and those sounds are what inspire them to write great songs.

waiting for some mythical synth to come along just for the sake of it seems a futile exercise, especially as there is no guarantee anyone will like it or it will improve output.

i could go fishing with my current set up, very basic, works a treat and has done for years, or i could sit at home waiting for a magic set up to come out.... i prefer to get down the bank and catch fish

your argument doesnt seem to have a point. Its not your business, so i do see why you care what companies make. If you cant make music with what you have, you prob need a diff hobby.

[Teksonik]

To be honest that's the worst argument I've ever seen you make and that includes a lot of arguments. You're losing your edge son.

I was responding to this......

Dear Lord, YES! I would love a U-he version of the Voyetra 8 and buy it in a heartbeat!

I simply gave the opposing opinion that instead of spending (wasting) time on emulating a horrid sounding old synth why not spend that time working on something new and fresh ?

He asked for something, I asked for something else. No difference other than you agree with one opinion and not the other.

So your snarky "If you cant make music with what you have, you prob need a diff hobby" should have been aimed at him first but again you agree that old synths are worth wasting time on so you attacked me instead and that's fine.

We simply disagree on what projects we'd like to see next. In the end U-He will do what they think is best but if people are giving opinions on what they would like next I'm equally allowed to give my opinion as well whether you or anyone else agrees or not.

Nowhere did I write that I'm "waiting for some mythical synth". I'm not waiting for emulations of horrid old synths either. In fact I'm not waiting for anything. I'm making music with great synths like Hive 2 that look forward instead of back at some ancient synth that is best left to fade into history.

But it's obvious you were just grasping for straws and resorted to attacking since you could not formulate a cogent argument.

I'll make it as clear as I can for you....doshult wants an emulation of the Voyetra 8. I'd rather have something new and fresh. We both expressed an opinion. Nothing more nothing less. Get it now ?

[AnX]

I'd rather have something new and fresh. We both expressed an opinion. Nothing more nothing less. Get it now ?

such as?

[AnX]

I simply gave the opposing opinion that instead of spending (wasting) time on emulating a horrid sounding old synth...

in your opinion....

dont like it? dont buy it

you can always learn to code and invent your own type of "new" synthesis

[AnX]

I'm making music with great synths like Hive 2 that look forward instead of back at some ancient synth that is best left to fade into history.

a subtractive VA with WT osc, very original.

cant think of another synth that does that....

[Teksonik]

you can always learn to code and invent your own type of "new" synthesis

Really Dave ? That's the best you can do ? Like I said you're losing your edge. Maybe you need to find a new hobby.

I'm making music with great synths like Hive 2 that look forward instead of back at some ancient synth that is best left to fade into history.

a subtractive VA with WT osc, very original.
cant think of another synth that does that....

Wavetable scripting....can't think of another synth that does it....unless you're saying that U-He synths in general and Hive 2 in particular have no innovations. That would be quite an insult to U-He. Certainly you can see how Hive 2 surpasses something like "The Cat" or the Voyetra 8 with it's horrid sounding filter cutoff zipper effect.

I realize the romance in older analog hardware but since I lived through the era and have owned and/or played many old analog hardware synths I'd rather we look to the future rather than back to the past.

Some people want emulations of ancient hardware. I want something new and fresh.

Am I sorry that upsets some people ? Absolutely not. We're all entitled to our opinions. Like I said U-He will do whatever they think is best so no telling what the future holds. I'd just rather the future not hold the past.....

[ghettosynth]

Certainly you can see how Hive 2 surpasses something like "The Cat" or the Voyetra 8 with it's horrid sounding filter cutoff zipper effect.

What zipper cutoff effect? The Cat has no such effect. I'm assuming that you're talking purely about the Voyetra owing to limitations of early control multiplexing schemes? You wouldn't emulate that any more than similar limitations are not emulated in Repro-5.

There are nice innovations in The Hive, although it's not something that I care much about, but nothing that you've named is some dramatic game changer. Certainly not more interesting, to me, than the innovations in Repro.

I think that you've set up a false dichotomy where you think that emulating the past cannot possibly look forward. You're just wrong on that front. There are many interesting emulations that reference the past while bringing something new to the table and few synths that are so new that they do not borrow heavily from the past.

[AnX]

you can always learn to code and invent your own type of "new" synthesis

Really Dave ? That's the best you can do ? Like I said you're losing your edge. Maybe you need to find a new hobby.

I'm making music with great synths like Hive 2 that look forward instead of back at some ancient synth that is best left to fade into history.

a subtractive VA with WT osc, very original.
cant think of another synth that does that....

Wavetable scripting....can't think of another synth that does it...

and what does that do? creates a wavetable, how novel...