KVR Audio

jeffb01 · Post by **jeffb01** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 am

I'm still waiting in earnest for someone to tell me another synth that can do what Wiggle can. It doesn't even have to have FM, but the hypnotizing customized wiggle of a hand designed waveform and other wf manipulation.

NewDelhiTommy · Post by **NewDelhiTommy** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:55 am

Razzia wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:12 am Just fyi for anyone thinking about getting wiggle

I bought it on sale a while ago. Its capable in its own way. However, since a certain version of ableton live (can't remember which anymore) you cant use its built in distortion unit unless you open wiggle in a vst host/wrapper. Bizarrely, its when the synth is idling but the distortion is turned on it shoots up to 50%+ cpu on my i7 6700k.

Nanohost ought to work though. Or IL minihost, or blue cats patchwork if you have it

Minihost doesn't work I've tried. Maschine does if yall have it.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:38 am

jeffb01 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 am I'm still waiting in earnest for someone to tell me another synth that can do what Wiggle can. It doesn't even have to have FM, but the hypnotizing customized wiggle of a hand designed waveform and other wf manipulation.

In some sense Zebra2 comes close. Where you can draw 2 (or more) slices in the wavetable and modulate the wavetable travel. Not exactly the same, but it results in similar sounding wiggles for sure. I actually find Zebra2 more easy to work with to get those type of sounds

Ranoka · Post by **Ranoka** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:28 am

jeffb01 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 am I'm still waiting in earnest for someone to tell me another synth that can do what Wiggle can. It doesn't even have to have FM, but the hypnotizing customized wiggle of a hand designed waveform and other wf manipulation.

I'm not sure if there are any other synths that does the Wiggle thing, it was the unique selling feature.

Maybe have a look at Spiral Generator or cadmium if you haven't yet.
There's also the Sugar Bytes synths like Factory or Aparillo

Other fun FM synths like Nemesis or Aalto are also worth investigating.

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:29 am

NewDelhiTommy wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:55 amMinihost doesn't work I've tried. Maschine does if yall have it.

Komplete Kontrol as well, which is now free for anyone to download.

RiverLyle · Post by **RiverLyle** » Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:32 pm

yeah i think it was good for its price !
sadly the server is down for activation, but for people who wanna give it a try and can find the download demo mode still should work.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Jul 06, 2024 1:25 pm

wow, i just checked, my Wiggle still works but if i get a new pc i cannot activate it anymore? f*ck that shit

mi-os · Post by **mi-os** » Sat Jul 06, 2024 2:53 pm

There is a lesson in here somewhere.

El°HYM · Post by **El°HYM** » Sun Jul 07, 2024 12:55 pm

mi-os wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 2:53 pm There is a lesson in here somewhere.

The Lesson to be learned here, is to always keep a spare Offline activation - code, if possible.

RiverLyle · Post by **RiverLyle** » Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:02 pm

the activation doesn't work, cause it required an online or email activation. and their server and email is now defunkt.

RiverLyle · Post by **RiverLyle** » Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:03 pm

Caine123 wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 1:25 pm wow, i just checked, my Wiggle still works but if i get a new pc i cannot activate it anymore? f*ck that shit

good to know demo mode would still work, but its not realy worth using if you can't activate it ikr.
No sound.

El°HYM · Post by **El°HYM** » Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:10 pm

RiverLyle wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:02 pm the activation doesn't work, cause it required an online or email activation. and their server and email is now defunkt.

I know, just tried to activate it. Maybe, if requested an offline - activation and kept that 'unused' as a spare for situations like this could have worked. Sad that even the Demo doesnt seem work properly anymore.

yellowmix · Post by **yellowmix** » Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:25 am

jeffb01 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 am I'm still waiting in earnest for someone to tell me another synth that can do what Wiggle can. It doesn't even have to have FM, but the hypnotizing customized wiggle of a hand designed waveform and other wf manipulation.

Not the same, nothing out there is, since the points are independent of each other. It's very CPU intensive to calculate the new oscillator shape without it completely aliasing and distorting.

With that said, in spiritual form, Waverazor. It chops a cycle into up to 16 steps. Each step has its own shape, level, tuning, phase, velocity, keytrack, duty, and dc bias. You can think of it as each independent oscillator partially showing in a window 1/x the number of steps. It can sound as gnarly as Wiggle if not more, and it's great for continuously evolving sounds.

It's a modular synth where the main interface can be designed via the editor (full version not LE). So the editing is a lot more involved but incredibly deep. In fact, I highly suggest playing around with it to know what is possible, before realizing it helps to plan as much possible before diving in. There are plenty of templates though so you can dive right in.

This video shows the eurorack module version which is limited to 8 steps but it dives right in with sounds you can get out of it:

pekbro · Post by **pekbro** » Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:53 am

IMO miniraze is also worth getting even if you have waverazor. It was certainly a great deal a few weeks ago at $10. No doubt it will be on sale again, maybe a while for 90% off tho?

MillerSam · Post by **MillerSam** » Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:08 pm

Yes abandoned. The developer now makes live music as tamiX (Nan Tang) and also known as founder of the Chinese website Midifan.

2nd sense -WIGGLE is it abandoned ??