Logic Pro 11 will be releasing later this year ? ?, are we expecting any major upgrades 10.5 ?

[Bombadil]

Not too thrilled about iTunes, too. I really don't like changes shoved down my throat. I still prefer iPhoto to Photo, but iPhoto is pretty much dead in Mojave. I'm definitely gonna take a conservative approach to the next OS upgrade.

[dayjob]

so I'm leaving it till I have no choice.

this is pretty much the boat we're all in for one reason or another.

i think i may have turned off SIP but i don't remember when or why.

[Jace-BeOS]

the specs at apple for next logic say that at least 10.13.6 "High Sierra" is required as minimum OS spec. that's the OS ceiling for my laptop. my desktop will run mojave if/when i put a metal capable graphics card in it.

Thanks for pointing that out. Damn. So now I have to decide whether to put High Sierra on my iMac and whether or not to attempt DOSDude’s High Sierra installer hacks to get it on my Macbook Pro 5,5 (which I already did to get Sierra on there). I can’t remember what kept me from doing it before. Some of the hardware isn’t supported, but I don’t remember which. Bluetooth? Actually, the website says Macbook Pro 5,5 is supported... Hmmm...

EDIT: Ah shit, my iMac 12,2 will be unusable with Mojave. High Sierra is my absolute maximum version of Mac OS on that machine and whatever Logic version cuts off High Sierra, I wont be able to have it.

Anyone who’s interested in those hacks: http://dosdude1.com/highsierra/

[jonljacobi]

That fact that macOS can be relatively easily hacked to support older hardware shows just how little reason, other than planned obsolescence, there is for Apple to discontinue support. That other DAWs run just fine on older operating versions doesn't say much for the company's motives either.

[macmuse]

I still run Sierra, the problem with High Sierra for me is it's much stricter about adherence to SIP which renders some of my hardware and software incompatible without major workarounds (such as turning SIP off completely). It's also the last MacOs version my old MacMini will run so I'm leaving it till I have no choice.

I’m on Sierra too for that reason. I don’t use the older software that often but I like that I can. Funny thing was the old software became dead in El Capitan, but came back to life in Sierra, so there I stayed.

Which software became incompatible for you?

[pbr985]

Specs have been updated for literally 3 days now. Apple doesn't publish their website by mistake. I wonder when 10.5 is finally out. They tend to release new Logic versions on Thursdays...

[someone called simon]

you're correct.
the specs at apple for next logic say that at least 10.13.6 "High Sierra" is required as minimum OS spec.

Can you confirm what you mean by this? The Logic Pro currently on the Apple website (https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/) does say 10.13. But that is the current version, right? They don't talk about the next version (not that it would be any lower requirement of course).

The weird thing is, on the App store, it states 10.12 as the minimum requirement... So that's confusing.

I haven't upgraded to Logic X yet, and am on Sierra, so I'm in 2 minds about whether I should jump in now while the app store still specifies 10.12.

But the discrepancy is strange.

[jacqueslacouth]

My concern about the future of Logic is that, as a pro app, apple are going to develop it to take advantage of the power of the new Mac Pro, in turn rendering it less useable on machines like my 4 year old iMac (which was bought "new" from the Apple store 2 years ago!!!).

In the mean time I will sit tight, but considering the continued price gouging for Apple products, I suspect that my time as a Logic user is coming to an end in the near future, which, TBH, is a bit of a shame but I am not a slave to one DAW or one OS. Logic, Cubase, Studio One???? All are more than adequate. Windows or MacOs??? I really couldn't care...The OS simply supports the applications I run, I really don't interact with the OS.

Your machine and any Logic updates will work fine together for some years to come...

I was hoping this would be the case, but just today on a really small project, 1 audio track and 3 AU instrument tracks with only Amp Designer running, Logic completely shat itself and Core Audio shut down...I'm really not that optimistic

[Tronam]

I still run Sierra, the problem with High Sierra for me is it's much stricter about adherence to SIP which renders some of my hardware and software incompatible without major workarounds (such as turning SIP off completely). It's also the last MacOs version my old MacMini will run so I'm leaving it till I have no choice.

Sierra was always quite solid for me. I tried High Sierra, but after experiencing odd audio performance glitches and some of the above mentioned software incompatibilities I ended up going back to Sierra. It may have been related to immature drivers, but overall it just didn’t feel fully baked yet. I didn’t try Mojave until about 5 months after release, but it has been very smooth on all fronts and one of their best OS releases in years. I’m worried about dropped 32-bit support in Catalina though.

[medienhexer]

you're correct.
the specs at apple for next logic say that at least 10.13.6 "High Sierra" is required as minimum OS spec.

Can you confirm what you mean by this? The Logic Pro currently on the Apple website (https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/) does say 10.13. But that is the current version, right? They don't talk about the next version (not that it would be any lower requirement of course).

The weird thing is, on the App store, it states 10.12 as the minimum requirement... So that's confusing.

I haven't upgraded to Logic X yet, and am on Sierra, so I'm in 2 minds about whether I should jump in now while the app store still specifies 10.12.

But the discrepancy is strange.

Interestingly, the US product page already states 1000 audio and 1000 MIDI tracks, as well as the 10.13 requirement. Although, as far as I can tell, no new features. The German website still says 250 tracks and 10.12 as requirement.

So it looks to me like they're in the process of updating the website, which hopefully means a release is imminent. Would make sense to iron out any issues with existing setups before the big Mac Pro release, too.

[medienhexer]

My concern about the future of Logic is that, as a pro app, apple are going to develop it to take advantage of the power of the new Mac Pro, in turn rendering it less useable on machines like my 4 year old iMac (which was bought "new" from the Apple store 2 years ago!!!).

In the mean time I will sit tight, but considering the continued price gouging for Apple products, I suspect that my time as a Logic user is coming to an end in the near future, which, TBH, is a bit of a shame but I am not a slave to one DAW or one OS. Logic, Cubase, Studio One???? All are more than adequate. Windows or MacOs??? I really couldn't care...The OS simply supports the applications I run, I really don't interact with the OS.

Your machine and any Logic updates will work fine together for some years to come...

I was hoping this would be the case, but just today on a really small project, 1 audio track and 3 AU instrument tracks with only Amp Designer running, Logic completely shat itself and Core Audio shut down...I'm really not that optimistic

Yeah, that's weird. I've had smooth sailing for years now, always early adopting new OS versions.

In the past three or four weeks, though, I get playback issues with long sustaining instruments after an hour or so (Logic's integrated ones, as well as 3rd party). Doesn't look like a thermal issue (iMac is only slightly warm to the touch), CPU is not taxed at all (Logic's meter and Activity Manager show maybe 1/3 capacity), driver is unchanged and most of the time, restarting the song will fix the issue. REALLY irritating.

So yes, I get what you mean. It should not have these issues. If I hadn't had trouble-free operation before, my impression of Logic would be very bad.

[macmuse]

I just think it's wrong to change OS requirements within and during the same major version. When a person buys a software, they are entitled to that entire software version that they bought. Apple does not make that possible for people with certain computers so those people get short-changed and cheated out of bug fixes and whatnot. I just feel an OS change should only occur on the major X.0 versions. Logic had many OS changes during 10.

[Passing Bye]

Logic had many OS changes during 10.

It started with 10.8.x and now they will exclude 10.12.6, same old eMagic code, crazy...

[macmuse]

I still run Sierra, the problem with High Sierra for me is it's much stricter about adherence to SIP which renders some of my hardware and software incompatible without major workarounds (such as turning SIP off completely). It's also the last MacOs version my old MacMini will run so I'm leaving it till I have no choice.

Sierra was always quite solid for me. I tried High Sierra, but after experiencing odd audio performance glitches and some of the above mentioned software incompatibilities I ended up going back to Sierra. It may have been related to immature drivers, but overall it just didn’t feel fully baked yet. I didn’t try Mojave until about 5 months after release, but it has been very smooth on all fronts and one of their best OS releases in years. I’m worried about dropped 32-bit support in Catalina though.

Sierra is solid for me too. When you did Mojave, did you do a clean install or migration? What do you notice better than Sierra to make you say one of the best releases?

On this dropped 32-bit support in Catalina, does that mean that running 32-bit plugins under 32Lives or JBridge in the 64-bit host won't work any more?

[medienhexer]

I just think it's wrong to change OS requirements within and during the same major version. When a person buys a software, they are entitled to that entire software version that they bought. Apple does not make that possible for people with certain computers so those people get short-changed and cheated out of bug fixes and whatnot. I just feel an OS change should only occur on the major X.0 versions. Logic had many OS changes during 10.

I don’t know. I prefer getting free updates for six years. If Apple were to release a new major version every time they cancel support for old OS versions, we‘d be paying for a major Logic version every 18 months or so.