Tech Preview: Hive Wavetables

[carrieres]

Fantastic, thank you !!!
Yep, I was indeed wondering how to achieve such results with .uhm wavetables. What a marvelously powerful tool!

and an awesome KVRian : Cytospur

[Urs]

A few more:

The most simple one is the Narrow Peak. Just make the phase counter increasingly steeper, then clip at 1.

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Info "CZ Narrow Peak"
Wave "phase * exp( 4 * table )" // make increasingly steeper phase
Wave blend=min "1" // clip at 1
Wave "-cos( x * 2 * pi )" // shape with inverted cosine

Square works the same way, but we need a copy of the resulting phase function in the second half. Phase increase must be twice as fast, the whole thing needs to be normalized between 0 and 1.

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Info "CZ Square"
Wave "phase * 2 * exp( 4 * table )"
Wave blend=min "1"
Wave "0.5 * (x + main_fi( frame, index - 1024 ) )" // add shifted copy and normalize
Wave "-cos( x * 2 * pi )"

The resonant waves are equally as simple to do. But: Due to the phase shift of the sine towards the right hand side, there are phase cancellations in Crossfade mode. There are none in Spectral, but it still looks weird in some spaces. So let's go all weird looking and do the Zero Phase interpolator, which IMHO turns out to sound best with this:

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Info "CZ Resonant Saw (looks wrong but sounds best with Zero Phase)"
Wave "-cos( phase * exp( 4.5 * table ) * 2 * pi )" // sine sweep
Wave "(x + 1) * (1 - phase) - 1" // saw window on unipolar cosine

Note, for latter I had to squeeze the phase info into the cosine formula because I Hive somewhere clips the formula output for security reasons.

- U

[Urs]

Exercise: Build Triangle, Square/Saw windows with the envelope, then apply to CZ Resonant example instead of sawtooth.

[Urs]

Also note that CZ waveforms do not start at a zero crossing. Best to push Attack of Amp up to 5 or so.

[nichttuntun]

Hi guys. It's a great feature for some who are into programming such stuff.

I think it would be a much cooler thing if HIVE itself could do PD, FM and RingMod and if the results could be directly be recorded (resynthesized) by HIVE and imported automatically as a usable wavetable for further mangling which you again could resample within HIVE.

I think of Mr. Palms INFINITE PPG or some advanced stuff from Tone2.

I think it can't be too hard for you gifted Berliners to implement a simple form of 2 main OSC PD, FM, audiorateLFO and RingMod. I would be so happy with that. And the internally working recording feature would HIVE make a beast. At the moment it's so fantastic sounding but so tame.

To use just some imported waveforms with HIVE is great but you cannot go to extremes afterwards with them and that just feels as HIVE wound pretend to can do PD and such. I don't feel that's a good approach and it feels a bit like a sample player, some kind of Rompler. The Korg Wavestation I once had comes in mind. A nice instrument but maximum limitations above the borders of what it could do. Everyone I know and owned it sold it for that reason.

Come on... you really could make HIVE awesome with just some little tweaks. I know you can. The instruments price is implying HIVE would be more.

Please take that as a constructive comment. I like HIVE and I love U-HE.

Have joy and be sound.

[AnX]

bazille...

[Urs]

just some little tweaks

Even better idea: We could offer alternative plug-ins which are focussed on exactly those kinds of timbres

[nichttuntun]

just some little tweaks

Even better idea: We could offer alternative plug-ins which are focussed on exactly those kinds of timbres

You already do that

[nichttuntun]

bazille...

Love it

[nichttuntun]

just some little tweaks

Even better idea: We could offer alternative plug-ins which are focussed on exactly those kinds of timbres

Why are you so reservated to give HIVE more toys yup play? It has a certain vibe (sound) to it your other instrument (I own them all) to not have. It's logical that there are people who do want to make more out of HIVE AND have the certain sound feeling with other synthesis from HIVE. It's impossible at the moment to go completely crazy with it. It seems to be made for all the people who are in Berlin school this and that style and whatnot and be strict in the limits of such a style. I don't care for styles. My school is classic, Jazz, Frank Zappa, Einstürzenden Neubauten, Stockhausen, Bartok, throbbing gristle, older skinny puppy and whatnot. I want to abuse HIVE plus containing it's sound character

I guess I am in a minority here

[Urs]

just some little tweaks

Even better idea: We could offer alternative plug-ins which are focussed on exactly those kinds of timbres

Why are you so reservated to give HIVE more toys yup play? It has a certain vibe (sound) to it your other instrument (I own them all) to not have. It's logical that there are people who do want to make more out of HIVE AND have the certain sound feeling with other synthesis from HIVE. It's impossible at the moment to go completely crazy with it. It seems to be made for all the people who are in Berlin school this and that style and whatnot and be strict in the limits of such a style. I don't care for styles. My school is classic, Jazz, Frank Zappa, Einstürzenden Neubauten, Stockhausen, Bartok, throbbing gristle, older skinny puppy and whatnot. I want to abuse HIVE plus containing it's sound character

I guess I am in a minority here

Well, I'm not even against some limited forms of audio rate stuff. I just don't think it brings overly much to the table, while at the same time adding more complexity. Each new knob is a slow down in workflow. I have lost many nights of sleep figuring out how to add wavetables to Hive and I had an equally as bad number pondering over the new modulation options.

There is a concept for DX-style FM between the main Osc and the Sub. It involves decoupling the Sub from the main Osc tune modulation and/or master tuning. It involves switches which seek to revert what I think we have accomplished with Hive. It also involves using the filter input selectors to mute the modulator if it shouldn't be heard. It kind of tries to break consistencies in order to make features work. I simply don't like it that much.

I can think of better improvements that have a much bigger impact, with less clutter and inconsistencies.

[nichttuntun]

Hi Urs. Thank you for sharing some insights. What I read out of it is that I am happy that the thought process with HIVE isn't finished yet. I am of course no coder and I guess it all isn't as easy as one imagines. I can't help myself but all unusual and interesting stuff I know from synths starts to happen when OSCs start to manipulate other OSCs. All the other stuff is somehow standard stuff and after nearly 30 years of fiddling with synthesis I find this kind of boring. Maybe you come up with a great idea how such a thing could happen in HIVE some day. I'd love to see it cause I really love HIVEs character. Have joy and be sound.

[Howard]

Me: After 40 years fiddling with synths I find what you call "standard stuff" FAR from boring. The clou is to experiment deeper with what's there and avoid instant gratification. I know for sure that there are plenty of tricks still waiting to be discovered in Zebra, Bazille, ACE and Hive because I keep finding them!

[nichttuntun]

Me: After 40 years fiddling with synths I find what you call "standard stuff" FAR from boring. The clou is to experiment deeper with what's there and avoid instant gratification. I know for sure that there are plenty of tricks still waiting to be discovered in Zebra, Bazille, ACE and Hive because I keep finding them!

Hi. I guess you are Howard Scarr? Then yes I know. I think most of your presets are greatly programmed and interesting. You have a deep knowledge of programming patches. I am patiently enough to go deep into a synth and I know it needs time to find it's hidden treasures It's a long never-ending journey.
Maybe my term "standard" was a bit harsh sounding. But it's really hard to create unheard sounds these days. And even your presets sometimes do not sound unheard, what isn't a judgement of their quality. I think it would be great if we could go more wild with HIVE to create pure experimentational sonic mayhem too if we or someone feels the urge to do so.

I am myself working for months now into a synth system from Melda Production which is called MSoundFactory and maybe I am a spoiled brat anyway but since I am learning this system I even feel the limitations of other synths more than in the past. Even ZEBRA feels very limited against MSF.

Of course limitation isn't per se a bad thing. It has clear advantages. I guess you are meaning that every sound generating system is worth a long and patient exploration and no judgements should be done overly fast. If that's the case I totally agree. And maybe it's a good thing to not compare things cause everything stands for it's own with its own incomparable quality.

Have joy and be sound.

[EvilDragon]

Hive's elementary premise is: extremely easy to use (as many controls on one page without needless tabbing most of the time), and low CPU. Audio rate modulation and low CPU doesn't go hand in hand and would dilute the concept of Hive completely. Why is this so hard to understand