We stopped shipping 32 bit versions of Waveform a few versions ago, but we still ship 32 bit versions of our plugins (BioTek, RetroMods, DAW Essentials).
Is anybody using the 32 bit versions? Please answer the poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/18142496
Do you still use 32-bit plugins?
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- KVRian
- 1306 posts since 3 May, 2005 from Victoria, BC
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- KVRAF
- 1604 posts since 9 Jan, 2018
I voted. In short, no, I don't use them because Waveform is 64-bit and 32-bit plugins aren't worth the hassle.
IF, however, Waveform were to magically offer a bridge for third-party 32-bit plugins...well, on rare occasions, I just might. But at this point, those would be pretty rare occasions, indeed.
IF, however, Waveform were to magically offer a bridge for third-party 32-bit plugins...well, on rare occasions, I just might. But at this point, those would be pretty rare occasions, indeed.
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- KVRAF
- 3508 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
I'm sitting on Waveform 8 until my next hardware upgrade. Still 32-bit only here (on a 64-bit OS), but it's really just a hangover of the length of time this system has been going. 32-bit made sense in 2013 because everything still came with a 32-bit version, so I could use everything old and new without bridging. As it stands I've now got about 3 commercial 64-bit only plugs that I use via JBridge.
As such, I'd still buy your plugs if they were 64-bit only. They'll work on my current machine via bridging and they'll be there waiting when my next machine goes 64. It's only the hassle of dealing with copy protection and reinstalling everything that's stopping me going over today.
It's kind of getting to the point where you can't reasonably expect maintenance of 32 bit versions, and a lot of my plugs with both 32 and 64-bit flavours seem to be falling victim to weird bugs that go unresolved in the 32-bit build which, unsurprisingly, gets less dev attention.
As such, I'd still buy your plugs if they were 64-bit only. They'll work on my current machine via bridging and they'll be there waiting when my next machine goes 64. It's only the hassle of dealing with copy protection and reinstalling everything that's stopping me going over today.
It's kind of getting to the point where you can't reasonably expect maintenance of 32 bit versions, and a lot of my plugs with both 32 and 64-bit flavours seem to be falling victim to weird bugs that go unresolved in the 32-bit build which, unsurprisingly, gets less dev attention.
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- KVRist
- 301 posts since 9 Sep, 2005 from Washington State. USA
I bit the bullet years back, and after six months or so running bridging plugins, I went all in. It just simplifies matters. In the beginning, I lost some freeware plugins I liked, but nowadays? I can’t even remember the last time the issue even crossed my mind: everything I need or encounter is 64 bit.
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
Nope. I've voted.
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- KVRAF
- 1790 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
If anyone is voting yes, can they please let us know here the specific use case? We're trying to figure out the different places our Tracktion plugins are used and if anyone is using them in a 32-bit only host. Thanks!
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Peter Widdicombe Peter Widdicombe https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=336849
- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 29 Aug, 2014
I'm still running 32-bit because of another plugin - SQ8L - as my ESQ-1 bit the dust but all the patches I liked imported into it. Unfortunately it probably will never be migrated to 64-bit, so for projects I want those patches for, I run T8.
Waveform 13; Win10 desktop/8 Gig; Win11 Laptop; MPK261; VFX+disfunctional ESQ-1
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- KVRAF
- 3508 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
In my case I'm using the 32-bit host itself (Waveform 8 ). I don't currently own any Tracktion plugs, but I'll probably pick up Waverazor at some point and I'll bridge if necessary (assuming I don't make the switch/get a new machine before I pick it up.)dRowAudio wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:43 am If anyone is voting yes, can they please let us know here the specific use case? We're trying to figure out the different places our Tracktion plugins are used and if anyone is using them in a 32-bit only host. Thanks!
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- KVRAF
- 4584 posts since 21 Sep, 2005
It seems I'm in the minority of those that still use 32-bit plugins.
FWIW, there are a lot of us still about, but we perhaps are not so vocal about it. 64-bit people tend to be a bit over-zealous shall we say when it comes to the platform. You'll find them here on the music producer forums, fetishising their gear and proselytizing to the whole world how 32-bit losers are freaks and luddites.
All us 32-bit bods want is backwards compatibility. We want to keep perfectly usable systems and the plugins we love. Just because we don't shout the loudest don't mean we aren't a significant demographic. I have nothing to back this up, but I'd wager we are more busy making music than keeping up to date with the jones's.
64-bit is one of the worst things that has happened to the whole VST industry in recent times. I know some of you need it for your super kontakt setups for your latest blockbuster film score, but most people making music don't need it.
Having said that, I'm getting up to date, since I'm forced to. Forced 64-bit, forced WinX. The never ending treadmill of maintenance just to knock out a few bars of your latest masterpiece.
It is what it is, as they say. I just expect companies not to care and just move on, pushing the latest new thing. I'll hold out as long as I can.
I'm speaking generally of course - a lot of people just update to 64-bit because it's less hassle. It's easier to give in to being bullied than fight back, and of course, it's the latest greatest thing that will give you that 'edge' in your productions. And you can point the finger at those backwards 32-bit holdouts - they'll be sorry when their old winXP box blows up. And serves them right!
I have no fight left in me now for all of this non-music palaver. But it would be nice to use the Tracktion plugins a bit longer in my Samplitude X3 Pro, my Studio One Pro, even older versions of Cubase. Not to mention FLStudio and EnergyXT2, Reaper...
I really love those Tracktion mix plugins you did btw. Very under-rated. Bit of a shame they don't remember their settings in some hosts unless you explicitly save a preset, but once you know that, you can work around it. It's also a shame that Tracktion 8 doesn't remember presets for drum machines. Tracktion does so much right and is let down by the fabled instability. I'm holding out on 8 for 32-bit, but I also run a 64-bit version as well. I'm probably strange like that. I will be updating to the latest Waveform though at some point. You make amazing software.
Straw polls are all very well, but consider the many people who never give feedback or participate on forums. But if my bank won't let me spend my money in my account, if my ISP cuts off my phone line after I've paid every single bill on time, if my doctor has no interest in making me well, if the police don't investigate burglaries or assaults, then why should a VST and DAW maker enable me to use the plugins I paid for in a host or OS that I prefer?
The world moves on, and we all get left behind eventually...
The thing is, I have such an insane amount of plugins, that I'll just gravitate to those that still maintain 32-bit compatibility. Then in the future, it will be a major decider should I upgrade or make new purchases. Don't do 64-bit? No problem. I already have a silly amount of 64-bit plugins. Oh you still do 32-bit? Mmm... think I'll buy some of them while I still can.
Sitting in the corner of many a musician/producer's bedroom is an old crusty box running winXP with 4GB of RAM. It has all the musos' most cherished and loved plugins - it still works - and even though they have the latest and greatest AMD chip that will only run WinX now, they still like to fire up that old box and make some music on it sometimes.
For some of us, making music is a deep need, one of the few sanctuaries that we have in this life. And like everything else, slowly it is being stripped away all in the name of progress, and 'being reasonable', profit margins and expediency. Even those of us like me that do like to keep up with the high end in tech, well, we still cherish those old boxes and the almost redundant software on them.
I understand why some companies like FXpansion live out on the bleeding edge of the latest tech, and I understand that people have to make a living and a profit to stay in the game.
But it would also be nice to be considered sometimes, us, the people that make this music world go around, that spend the money and give of our time - and not be drowned out by the chorus of "Not One Of US" when it comes to 64-bit.
'Progress' marches on no matter what, anyway.
Bring it on...
FWIW, there are a lot of us still about, but we perhaps are not so vocal about it. 64-bit people tend to be a bit over-zealous shall we say when it comes to the platform. You'll find them here on the music producer forums, fetishising their gear and proselytizing to the whole world how 32-bit losers are freaks and luddites.
All us 32-bit bods want is backwards compatibility. We want to keep perfectly usable systems and the plugins we love. Just because we don't shout the loudest don't mean we aren't a significant demographic. I have nothing to back this up, but I'd wager we are more busy making music than keeping up to date with the jones's.
64-bit is one of the worst things that has happened to the whole VST industry in recent times. I know some of you need it for your super kontakt setups for your latest blockbuster film score, but most people making music don't need it.
Having said that, I'm getting up to date, since I'm forced to. Forced 64-bit, forced WinX. The never ending treadmill of maintenance just to knock out a few bars of your latest masterpiece.
It is what it is, as they say. I just expect companies not to care and just move on, pushing the latest new thing. I'll hold out as long as I can.
I'm speaking generally of course - a lot of people just update to 64-bit because it's less hassle. It's easier to give in to being bullied than fight back, and of course, it's the latest greatest thing that will give you that 'edge' in your productions. And you can point the finger at those backwards 32-bit holdouts - they'll be sorry when their old winXP box blows up. And serves them right!
I have no fight left in me now for all of this non-music palaver. But it would be nice to use the Tracktion plugins a bit longer in my Samplitude X3 Pro, my Studio One Pro, even older versions of Cubase. Not to mention FLStudio and EnergyXT2, Reaper...
I really love those Tracktion mix plugins you did btw. Very under-rated. Bit of a shame they don't remember their settings in some hosts unless you explicitly save a preset, but once you know that, you can work around it. It's also a shame that Tracktion 8 doesn't remember presets for drum machines. Tracktion does so much right and is let down by the fabled instability. I'm holding out on 8 for 32-bit, but I also run a 64-bit version as well. I'm probably strange like that. I will be updating to the latest Waveform though at some point. You make amazing software.
Straw polls are all very well, but consider the many people who never give feedback or participate on forums. But if my bank won't let me spend my money in my account, if my ISP cuts off my phone line after I've paid every single bill on time, if my doctor has no interest in making me well, if the police don't investigate burglaries or assaults, then why should a VST and DAW maker enable me to use the plugins I paid for in a host or OS that I prefer?
The world moves on, and we all get left behind eventually...
The thing is, I have such an insane amount of plugins, that I'll just gravitate to those that still maintain 32-bit compatibility. Then in the future, it will be a major decider should I upgrade or make new purchases. Don't do 64-bit? No problem. I already have a silly amount of 64-bit plugins. Oh you still do 32-bit? Mmm... think I'll buy some of them while I still can.
Sitting in the corner of many a musician/producer's bedroom is an old crusty box running winXP with 4GB of RAM. It has all the musos' most cherished and loved plugins - it still works - and even though they have the latest and greatest AMD chip that will only run WinX now, they still like to fire up that old box and make some music on it sometimes.
For some of us, making music is a deep need, one of the few sanctuaries that we have in this life. And like everything else, slowly it is being stripped away all in the name of progress, and 'being reasonable', profit margins and expediency. Even those of us like me that do like to keep up with the high end in tech, well, we still cherish those old boxes and the almost redundant software on them.
I understand why some companies like FXpansion live out on the bleeding edge of the latest tech, and I understand that people have to make a living and a profit to stay in the game.
But it would also be nice to be considered sometimes, us, the people that make this music world go around, that spend the money and give of our time - and not be drowned out by the chorus of "Not One Of US" when it comes to 64-bit.
'Progress' marches on no matter what, anyway.
Bring it on...
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35498 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
The last few 32-bit plugins Ive got are wrapped up in jbridge, so its not an issue.
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- KVRist
- 401 posts since 10 Dec, 2002
I voted Yes. Music is my hobby so I use freeware plugins in 98 cases of 100. After maybe 15 years, I have quite large collection. Majority of them are just trash, but there are few real gems hidden in the crowd. And I really don't want to put them away. And they are 32bit ony of course. Since my two new DAWs (Waveform and Cubase) are 64bit, I'm bridging these.
But... Any new plugin I get nowadays is 64bit. I don't download any 32bit anymore. Even from this perspective 32bit plugins are obsolete.
But... Any new plugin I get nowadays is 64bit. I don't download any 32bit anymore. Even from this perspective 32bit plugins are obsolete.
Waveform 12 Pro, Cubase Pro 13, Windows 11, i7-13700H
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- KVRian
- 1272 posts since 11 Apr, 2002 from Nashville, TN
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- KVRAF
- 1714 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from Indianapolis
Still using 32 bit here. That's one of the reasons I've moved on from Waveform. It's 64 bit only now.
I've tried external bridging with mixed results, so I switched to Reaper. Not crazy about the HUI, but the internal bridging just works. In fact, the whole app just works.
Ironically, since switching to Reaper, I've been contemplating a switch to 64 bit only, to see what it tastes like. There are a few plugs I'd like to try that are 64 bit only now, and taking a hard look at my 32 bit only plugs to see what really couldn't be replaced.
The advantage here is, I get a choice. I can configure a new setup, while still using the old setup. If the new setup works out ok, I may revisit Waveform in the future. If it doesn't, my old setup works just fine.
I still visit the forum here because I have a soft spot in my heart for Tracktion. It was really the first DAW I "clicked" with, plus I've been around here forever! Old habits die hard.
I've tried external bridging with mixed results, so I switched to Reaper. Not crazy about the HUI, but the internal bridging just works. In fact, the whole app just works.
Ironically, since switching to Reaper, I've been contemplating a switch to 64 bit only, to see what it tastes like. There are a few plugs I'd like to try that are 64 bit only now, and taking a hard look at my 32 bit only plugs to see what really couldn't be replaced.
The advantage here is, I get a choice. I can configure a new setup, while still using the old setup. If the new setup works out ok, I may revisit Waveform in the future. If it doesn't, my old setup works just fine.
I still visit the forum here because I have a soft spot in my heart for Tracktion. It was really the first DAW I "clicked" with, plus I've been around here forever! Old habits die hard.
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
If I'm reading it right, the question was whether people still use the 32 bit versions of BioTek, RetroMods and DAW Essentials.
This would only be relevant if you're still using a 32 bit DAW, otherwise you would use the 64 bit versions of those plugins.
This would only be relevant if you're still using a 32 bit DAW, otherwise you would use the 64 bit versions of those plugins.
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"
