Tracktion Software

simondsouza · Post by **simondsouza** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:55 am

Just got my copy of CM on through the letterbox today, and waddyano - A double page spread on my favourite sequencer on pages 22 and 23.

comments are favourable, too.

There's a review of SX3 in same issue, takes 3 pages to say that - wahay- you can do 'in track editing' (wahay!) and that the release is full of bugs.

It really says something about T that you can say all that needs to be said in 2 pages. And not a bug in sight....

And it costs about 8% what SX3 costs!

Cheers

Simon

Bill · Post by **Bill** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:24 pm

Yep I totally agree. What relevance does Cubase have these days? If you just want to get on and make music Apps like T have everything you need. The world has changed. Cubase is hopelessly over complicated.

I suppose there is some satisfaction in getting to know all the cool, er, "advanced" features on offer, but the bigger high comes from writing and recording music, pure and simple.

And you no longer need Cubase, Logic or Sonar to achieve that.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:21 am

CM79 not yet in shops here...

So how do they rate Cubase SX3 (mark out of 10)?

Do they review Sonar 4 as well (or Logic 7)?

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:32 am

Bill wrote: I suppose there is some satisfaction in getting to know all the cool, er, "advanced" features on offer, but the bigger high comes from writing and recording music, pure and simple.

And you no longer need Cubase, Logic or Sonar to achieve that.

I assume you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:16 am

I can only assume you're joking.

(Jens that is!)

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:38 am

not at all - to anyone who says wanting more features
means rather being a computer-geek than a productive musician I recommend this application:

http://hem.passagen.se/xlnt/frs/

I'm sooo tired of reading all this bullshit like:

'what you want more features? - The ´Beatles recorded 'Sgt. Pepper' with eight tracks, so what is wrong with you?'

griels · Post by **griels** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:15 am

jens wrote:not at all - to anyone who says wanting more features
means rather being a computer-geek than a productive musician I recommend this application:

http://hem.passagen.se/xlnt/frs/

Yep, props to Tracktion, I hugely respect the approach it takes, but in terms of midi-editing features it just isn't there for me yet. Of course, that could change with T2, whenever that arrives

mojkarma · Post by **mojkarma** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:10 pm

Personally, I have a great respect about Tracktion. It is for many people the ideal sequencer and all they will ever need.
But I don't understand, nor do I see the point why other sequencers have to be put to death?

I absolutely agree with Jens and his comment. If you are mostly audio oriented, T will satisfy you more or less. What about using modern external hardware workstations with 1000 of programs? How can you change the bank and the program number together in tracktion? Am I the only one who needs and uses a drum editor? What about a list and score editor? What about the ability to edit multiple clips at once? What about folder tracks to keep your working screen more clean and compact. What about a separate dedicated mixer where you can fully focus on your mixing procedure. A lot of people needs and asks for a mixer because it is the closest way to work like with hardware.

Tracktion has a great potential, use it if you like it and if it does what you expect it to do. I myself wouldn't use tracktion (I tried the demo)in its actual state even if it would be free because there are features that I'm highly missing. That's the whole point.

Cubase, Logic, Sonar, they all have bugs and also does Tracktion. That is not a reason to put them down. Right now, they still offer a lot more than Tracktion and their price is also a lot higher then Tracktions. Somebody is satisfied with a Ford and somebody asks for a Mercedes. It's that simple.

nuisance sonore · Post by **nuisance sonore** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:20 pm

mojkarma wrote: Right now, they still offer a lot more than Tracktion and their price is also a lot higher then Tracktions. Somebody is satisfied with a Ford and somebody asks for a Mercedes. It's that simple.

You were making great sense until the last 2 sentence, then you messed up. You see, in software, different peoples will have different view on what would be a Ford and what would be a Mercedes. In my case, Tracktion would qualify as a Mercedes and Cubase would be an old and clunky Ford; I abhore hardware emulating in software, I think it's an inneficient, unimaginative and clunky approach for a work environement, I have no use nor do I want to have to turn to another window for mixing, score editor I thought was very cool in the first sequencer that I've used, but then realised I never use it, video right in the sequencer I found to be more distracting than help, not to mention it would make Cubase crash every 2 minutes; I could go on like this, but I hope you get the point: you can't critique peoples for putting down your tool of choice, and then put down theirs.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:38 pm

neither SX nor Sonar are trying to emulate hardware nowadays - it's a myth

nuisance sonore · Post by **nuisance sonore** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:49 pm

jens wrote:neither SX nor Sonar are trying to emulate hardware nowadays - it's a myth

I must admit I haven't even looked at either one of them newest flavor, but if that is what you got from my post, then I must have made a mess in writing it because that wasn't the point I was trying to make at all.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:01 pm

no - I got your point, don't worry

my post was rather an addition than a correction

simondsouza · Post by **simondsouza** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:49 pm

CM gave SX3 8/10 with the overall comment 'SX3 is a complete production environment with a wealth of great features and too many bugs'

Which kind of sums up what you guys have been saying.

Just for the record I really hope that T2 comes up with the goods on MIDI editing!

Until then I am enjoying working in one window and composing withinhe limitations.... (rather than spending all my time relearning how to do stuff in new versions of complex programs!)

cheers

Simon

ps I have made a T sampler brushes drum kit, for jazz type stuff. If anyone wants a copy of it pm me - it's about 1.5mb

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:33 pm

jens wrote:not at all - to anyone who says wanting more features
means rather being a computer-geek than a productive musician I recommend this application:

http://hem.passagen.se/xlnt/frs/

hahahaha. Man that thing has 4 features! lol.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:50 pm

Jens,

I simply misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying that you DO need (specifically) Cubase, Logic, or Sonar to make music. I assumed you were joking because I know you're a bit of an XT man.

I agree, though, that people shouldn't want an app ONLY because it's minimalistic. Seems silly to not use potentially useful tools.

Greg

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