Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[DJErmac]

OMG I'm so happy !!! I've just finished browsing the presets and... I haven't been impressed at all by what I've heard !! My wallet is safe... for now !

Listen to the patches he plays at the end

Ouch...
No, I haven't heard this... I can wait until it's 50% off...

Thanks for pointing this !

[Stefken]

Given that ED scripted some of my favorite Kontakt libraries (Hollow Sun - btw, what’s up with them since their founders untimely passing), and knows his shit in general I’m thankful for his input on the forum.

Not to be all Kumbaya (I hate that shit, and hated “Imagine” lol) but not getting all the personal attacks when we all share a common hobby/obsession.

I totally agree, yet sadowick was resoundly attacked for what seemed to be a reasonable although perhaps flawed analysis (I’m personally unqualified to make that assessment myself since I have never analyzed aliasing or nyquist anything in my life and frankly have no desire or intention to).

I agree.

[jancivil]

I do want this synth, but gonna wait for a 50% off on this one

[Telematix]

The sine wave in Massive X produces harmonics over the whole note range. Can't be aliasing, AFAIC. Maybe there's some on top of that, when you go up the frequency. As far as i understood it, every digital synth aliases.

There's no harmonics on sine wave if the filter is turned off. It seems all that "aliasing" just a filter overdrive behavior.

[Teksonik]

Trying to run the Demo but......

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The CPU on my test computer is AVX capable and this system has run everything thrown at it....

[EvilDragon]

The sine wave in Massive X produces harmonics over the whole note range. Can't be aliasing, AFAIC. Maybe there's some on top of that, when you go up the frequency. As far as i understood it, every digital synth aliases.

There's no harmonics on sine wave if the filter is turned off. It seems all that "aliasing" just a filter overdrive behavior.

... or more likely, the sine in the wavetable is not a perfect sine but has some overtones.

[EvilDragon]

Trying to run the Demo but......

The CPU on my test computer is AVX capable and this system has run everything thrown at it....

That looks like GPU or driver related issue.

[jancivil]

Hardly objective and it shows ...

If you were objective you would regard the synth and not the person, making the person the subject of a supposed argument.
'he works for NI' is made into 'he can't be objective' but that doesn't necessarily follow, this is called supposition.

[jeffb01]

BTW, If anyone subscribes to Groove3, they have a massive x tips and tricks video.

[graspee]

Let's talk about something different like for example why the P Performance thing is mono and not capable of being poly like the envelopes and LFOs are.

[EvilDragon]

Hardly objective and it shows ...

If you were objective you would regard the synth and not the person, making the person the subject of a supposed argument.
'he works for NI' is made into 'he can't be objective' but that doesn't necessarily follow, this is called supposition.

Also officially I don't work for NI in full capacity, I'm still a freelancer. But I do offer my services to NI since Dec 2018. I still do work for Impact Soundworks, In Session Audio, and some other Kontakt devs.

[perpetual3]

Given that ED scripted some of my favorite Kontakt libraries (Hollow Sun - btw, what’s up with them since their founders untimely passing), and knows his shit in general I’m thankful for his input on the forum.

Not to be all Kumbaya (I hate that shit, and hated “Imagine” lol) but not getting all the personal attacks when we all share a common hobby/obsession.

I totally agree, yet sadowick was resoundly attacked for what seemed to be a reasonable although perhaps flawed analysis (I’m personally unqualified to make that assessment myself since I have never analyzed aliasing or nyquist anything in my life and frankly have no desire or intention to).

Check his other vids. He's not the most knowledgable guy. No offense meant. It's just that there's a lot in those vids which just isn't true at all.

I’m not sure that you are one of us here that made the personal attack, but since we all share the same hobby/passion (and I’ve said this before) I also don’t understand the personal attacks.

In this case, I think that, on the whole, the video was useful: if it turns out that MX does have aliasing (I haven’t read anything that conclusively rules it out) that’s useful. If it turns out that it doesn’t, and there is another explanation (again, nothing conclusive at this point) that’s useful too.

Yet, many if not most people immediately went on an offensive attacking the dude, justified by lots of speculation about what it could be. Alternatively, a respectful response could have acknowledged why sadowick might have been mistaken, and then helped him derive a process to prove it for himself. Instead he was viciously attacked; even mocked for having cancer. Frankly, I found that disgusting, having had family members die of the disease and seen firsthand the fear and helplessness the diagnosis caused the whole family to feel.

[chk071]

The sine wave in Massive X produces harmonics over the whole note range. Can't be aliasing, AFAIC. Maybe there's some on top of that, when you go up the frequency. As far as i understood it, every digital synth aliases.

There's no harmonics on sine wave if the filter is turned off. It seems all that "aliasing" just a filter overdrive behavior.

Interesting. Haven't tried that out, but, makes sense to me.

[chk071]

I’m not sure that you are one of us here that made the personal attack, but since we all share the same hobby/passion (and I’ve said this before) I also don’t understand the personal attacks.

Thing is, he pretty much comes off as trying to bad mouth the developer. Why not just state his assumptions here, and, especially, let NI know about his observations? Instead he does a video with the title "Massive X aliases more than Massive (SCANDAL!!!)" (ok, i added the scandal, but, that's pretty much how it appears to me ), and when he gets called out fro stating something which is untrue, he comes here, and acts defensively. That's BS.

Guess you call that form of profile neurosis "investigative journalism" these days. Guess you can talk good anything, if you just try hard enough.

[vurt]

Given that ED scripted some of my favorite Kontakt libraries (Hollow Sun - btw, what’s up with them since their founders untimely passing), and knows his shit in general I’m thankful for his input on the forum.

Not to be all Kumbaya (I hate that shit, and hated “Imagine” lol) but not getting all the personal attacks when we all share a common hobby/obsession.

I totally agree, yet sadowick was resoundly attacked for what seemed to be a reasonable although perhaps flawed analysis (I’m personally unqualified to make that assessment myself since I have never analyzed aliasing or nyquist anything in my life and frankly have no desire or intention to).

Check his other vids. He's not the most knowledgable guy. No offense meant. It's just that there's a lot in those vids which just isn't true at all.

I’m not sure that you are one of us here that made the personal attack, but since we all share the same hobby/passion (and I’ve said this before) I also don’t understand the personal attacks.

In this case, I think that, on the whole, the video was useful: if it turns out that MX does have aliasing (I haven’t read anything that conclusively rules it out) that’s useful. If it turns out that it doesn’t, and there is another explanation (again, nothing conclusive at this point) that’s useful too.

Yet, many if not most people immediately went on an offensive attacking the dude, justified by lots of speculation about what it could be. Alternatively, a respectful response could have acknowledged why sadowick might have been mistaken, and then helped him derive a process to prove it for himself. Instead he was viciously attacked; even mocked for having cancer. Frankly, I found that disgusting, having had family members die of the disease and seen firsthand the fear and helplessness the diagnosis caused the whole family to feel.

f**k
yes, that is disgusting.