Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[pdxindy]

This synth is just not complete. A "next-generation" synth that under-performs compared to its competition. I expected more. Ive learned and concluded that he standards are low here.

FFS , stop it already

Why? He is correct... the synth is far from complete and has a bunch of glaring deficiencies.

[chk071]

This synth is just not complete. A "next-generation" synth that under-performs compared to its competition. I expected more. Ive learned and concluded that he standards are low here.

Do you even make some music (I seriously doubt that)? Or just moaning around full-time because you have nothing better to do?
How it is that I and many others are able to make music, leads, pads and... Kicks in MX and you're one poor soul that is unable to do because... Instead of making anything you just observe analyzers all day long?
Usually people use instruments to make music but guys like you use them to argue with internet hoping that everyone will tell you "oh dude, you're right my master"! This is what you want?
Stop whining and make some damn music instead.

His album was no.3 in Canada a week ago
https://twitter.com/sadowick/status/114 ... 48128?s=21

LOL
It could be no.1 on Billboard Top100 if he didn't waste his time trying to prove to internet MX faults

Well his videos are definitely no. 2's material...

*Edit: looks like his tweet about being "Number 3 in Canada!" is not entirely truthful...The 'CBC Radio 3' charts are for independent releases only as far as I can see - the official Canadian album charts are the Canadian Billboard charts.

Anyway, he spread the word for bad or good of you.

Now Massive X is being better known thanks to the bad and good that this first version has shown. The important thing is that the developers of NI, are updated in knowledge to solve the bad and continue to take advantage of the good they have done.

Right. As if they didn't know much better about the pros and cons of their DSP.

[neodeavid]

VIRTUAL RIOT IS NOT FEELING MASSIVE X
https://twitter.com/Virtual_Riot?lang=es

[EvilDragon]

^^
No way to bypass the fx!

cannot just turn an Osc off either

Can do in Routing page, every module is right-click bypassable there.

[chk071]

This synth is just not complete. A "next-generation" synth that under-performs compared to its competition. I expected more. Ive learned and concluded that he standards are low here.

FFS , stop it already

Why? He is correct... the synth is far from complete and has a bunch of glaring deficiencies.

He surely isn't right about the low standards here. That's just a defensive reaction for being called out for some of his misses. For example, he seems to have no idea what aliasing is. There's examples of aliasing, and examples of harmonics due to distortion in his vids, and, he calls them both aliasing. If you happen to get such basic things wrong, maybe you shouldn't do a video about it at all? Not to talk about bad mouthing, and controversy he's trying to create.

In general, eager self-exposers like him are so typical for Youtube these days.

[exmatproton]

^^
No way to bypass the fx!

cannot just turn an Osc off either

Can do in Routing page, every module is right-click bypassable there.

Yeah. That is indeed possible. However, a simple button on the main page of mutable/bypassable objects would be so much easier. And obvious for that matter...

The synth is cool, the workflow is not (yet (finished)).

[neodeavid]

VIRTUAL RIOT: Idk just OG Massive with new FX, wavetables and filters would have been better, but somehow Massive X’s overall engine sounds worse, really dull

[Stefken]

It's true, there are many religious comments about what Sadowick said

massive-praying.png

[jeffb01]

I can temporarily live with just about all of the many shortcomings aside from not being able to tag favourites….I am writing them down on a post it...I remember doing that with hardware synths 20 years ago!

MX is not even close to finished, but there are some really good patches showing what it is capable of, I look forward to the updates.

Someone (I think it was Zerocrossing) brought up a good point a few pages back. That, most likely, decisions had to made as time ran out. The stuff that seems most unfinished is the stuff that can be updated without effecting the sound. You don't want a patch to sound different after an update. But they can fix the ui, browser, even add another filter while keeping total backwards compatibility. I thought that was a smart take.

I wouldn’t hold my breath for a second filter. The dual filter modes and oscillator modes with filters seem fine to me. As an instrument, you have to have a vision for what the final structure is. I think if they wanted dual filters it would already had them, but they chose to do different things. Not every synth is a Falcon. Go buy Falcon, Zebra, MSoundfactory, etc, if you want synths that don’t have the limits of a fixed architecture. I love working that way as well, but I also like an instrument that a fixed set of tools that has its own design.

1. The more I think of it, the more I'm sure there will be a second res filter - it might be in an insert or in the FX section, but it will happen. I'd be willing to bet $10 that there will be a second res filter in Massive X by Jan 1, 2021.

2. I love fixed architecture - truly. I just love two res filters. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

[pdxindy]

This synth is just not complete. A "next-generation" synth that under-performs compared to its competition. I expected more. Ive learned and concluded that he standards are low here.

FFS , stop it already

Why? He is correct... the synth is far from complete and has a bunch of glaring deficiencies.

He surely isn't right about the low standards here. That's just a defensive reaction for being called out for some of his misses. For example, he seems to have no idea what aliasing is. There's examples of aliasing, and examples of harmonics due to distortion in his vids, and, he calls them both aliasing. If you happen to get such basic things wrong, maybe you shouldn't do a video about it at all? Not to talk about bad mouthing, and controversy he's trying to create.

In general, eager self-exposers like him are so typical for Youtube these days.

It's really funny... if lots of posters think that he is trying to create controversy, then page after page of inflammatory replies has given him exactly what he wanted.

Anyway, I'm already sorry I stepped into at all... back to MX...

[neodeavid]

It's true, there are many religious comments about what Sadowick said

massive-praying.png

This is how many people see defending Massive X, being that in some cases even EvilDragon then recognizes but in isolation that Massive does have aliasing, such as "Maybe is the oscillator quality" ... etc ...

Virtual Riot is a more recognize producer, sound designer, and his thought is negative from Massive X.

[neodeavid]

Maybe Massive X is for old school, and phase plant, serum, avenger, rapid parawave, and more his for new generation.

[chk071]

This synth is just not complete. A "next-generation" synth that under-performs compared to its competition. I expected more. Ive learned and concluded that he standards are low here.

FFS , stop it already

Why? He is correct... the synth is far from complete and has a bunch of glaring deficiencies.

He surely isn't right about the low standards here. That's just a defensive reaction for being called out for some of his misses. For example, he seems to have no idea what aliasing is. There's examples of aliasing, and examples of harmonics due to distortion in his vids, and, he calls them both aliasing. If you happen to get such basic things wrong, maybe you shouldn't do a video about it at all? Not to talk about bad mouthing, and controversy he's trying to create.

In general, eager self-exposers like him are so typical for Youtube these days.

It's really funny... if lots of posters think that he is trying to create controversy, then page after page of inflammatory replies has given him exactly what he wanted.

You're right. I just think that he's not right about what he's doing. And, it's not very beneficial for his person either, if he wants to be taken serious, when he explains technical stuff.

Anyway, who cares. MX sounds a'ight to me, and, that's what matters.

[EvilDragon]

Virtual Riot is a more recognize producer, sound designer, and his thought is negative from Massive X.

So everybody needs to listen to some "recognized produca" rather than making their own freaking minds about something? Yeah, right.

but in isolation that Massive does have aliasing, such as "Maybe is the oscillator quality" ... etc ...

ALL DIGITAL SYNTHS have aliasing! Live with it.

[dionenoid]

Maybe Massive X is for old school, and phase plant, serum, avenger, rapid parawave, and more his for new generation.

Maybe MX is for the future and the rest is growing old