Native Instruments Massive X Synth - Sequel to Massive (Out Now!)

[neodeavid]

So you're asking for people here to report a YouTube video?

Yeah, for those people who defend a software, but are not willing to report a video because apparently they like things for free. What irony, no?

no.

That's where you're wrong - if someone gives me something for free, I demand to pay for it. I have these long, drawn out arguments with people who just give something for free. "What do you mean I don't have to pay for that kiss? What does it have to do with anything that you're my wife? YOU'RE GIVING A KISS FOR FREE, FOR GODS SAKE SUSAN"

Hey, "cerebrito", Massive X is not free.

nope.

Tell to "Functional"

[realtrance]

My bad, I thought this thread was about Massive X, not sadowick.

Enjoy your conversation; there’s a reason I rarely participate here.

[McLilith]

If I had the programming skills to do so, I'd create a new VSTi and name it "Alias". It would only play aliasing artifacts. 100% of the original oscillator signals would be removed from the output signal!

So many folks are into weird and unusual things, I'm certain someone would buy it!

[neodeavid]

If I had the programming skills to do so, I'd create a new VSTi and name it "Alias". It would only play aliasing artifacts. 100% of the original oscillator signals would be removed from the output signal!

So many folks are into weird and unusual things, I'm certain someone would buy it!

[vurt]

If I had the programming skills to do so, I'd create a new VSTi and name it "Alias". It would only play aliasing artifacts. 100% of the original oscillator signals would be removed from the output signal!

So many folks are into weird and unusual things, I'm certain someone would buy it!

im in!

[graspee]

My bad, I thought this thread was about Massive X, not sadowick.

Enjoy your conversation; there’s a reason I rarely participate here.

I agree.
I think people are jumping all over Sadowick with the cringey schoolyard-level insults because they want to boost themselves up, be part of the in-crowd, be seen in a good light by their peers etc. To do this they pick on the outsider, the different person and bully them and ostracise them. You'll notice of course that Sadowick hasn't posted much at all and yet people are still talking about him, slagging him off and saying the same things over and over again.

It's sickening. It's basically a mini version of the same ugly human behaviour that drives a lot of xenophobia, racism and right wing ideology.

[McLilith]

Naturally, "Alias" would have the option to select from 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, or 1/16 undersampling, and the LFOs would definitely go over Nyquist!

The synth would also offer ring modulation between the aliasing artifacts of two different oscillators, for those who didn't find the original aliasing artifacts discordant enough. Not only that, it would go a step beyond ring modulation, and offer single sideband modulation, for some funky atonal pitch shifting and shortwave radio effects.

[Kian Russell]

Ok, my first impression: Massive X does not have a quality problem in the oscillators. There are no aritifacts to speak of with standard waveforms. I agree that SPAN needs to be set to extreme settings to exhibit harmonics on the sine wave. My impression is, the tools Sadowick is using are extremely sensitive, and I can't really work out what the dB-scale grid in the Fabfilter plug-in refers to.

I won't explore complex waveforms as long as I don't know what I'm doing though

50% off u-he diva / repro at NI
some people are going to assume that you can't speak quite as freely as you normally do.
I don't think I am being unreasonable because there's the possibility of a very slight conflict of interest.

Imo NI have lost credibility with this Synth, hardly anyone can deny it wasn't ready for release.
They shouldn't be rewarded for that. None of us should be defending what they are doing.
What next ..loot boxes in a Synth with day 1 dlc?

[chk071]

My bad, I thought this thread was about Massive X, not sadowick.

Enjoy your conversation; there’s a reason I rarely participate here.

I agree.
I think people are jumping all over Sadowick with the cringey schoolyard-level insults because they want to boost themselves up, be part of the in-crowd, be seen in a good light by their peers etc. To do this they pick on the outsider, the different person and bully them and ostracise them. You'll notice of course that Sadowick hasn't posted much at all and yet people are still talking about him, slagging him off and saying the same things over and over again.

It's sickening. It's basically a mini version of the same ugly human behaviour that drives a lot of xenophobia, racism and right wing ideology.

Sure thing. The poor victim, with his clickbait scandal video.

Face it. It was about power and attention. THAT is sickening.

[Functional]

.. I'd surely hope that a user manual would clear up why the sine wave oscillators produce audible harmonics (nothing wrong with that if it's an inherent part of the synthesis..

Urs, the sine wave hasn't any harmonics when the filters are turned off. I suppose it's a kind of overdrive behavior.

It absolutely does.

OK, so, i set SPAN to go down to -120 dB now, and, there it is, starting at about -90 dB:

Massive_X_Sine_05.jpg

For any other synth, people would probably argue that it's not in the audible range, but, not on this one, it seems.

Wonder where it's coming from, though. I checked in 3 oscilloscopes, and, each of them seemed to display a perfect sine.

Gonna check with some other plugins now.

UNACCEPTABLE!

Anyway, whatever you're seeing there, I cannot see it myself after I tested. Since I have the Serum demo though, I decided to test it as well. The results are in the attachments. Both normalized to same loudness +-0.2db. I had to play a particular note (I think it was a sharp, and let the puns begin) because I could not get the aliasing artifacts to appear in every note with Massive X, only some of them (which is quite interesting, actually). Both behave in a very similar fashion; Serum has just a tiny bit more visible aliasing artifacts when playing at higher frequencies but Serum also has slightly (like -6 - -12db or so) less amplitude in them.

This is Serum:

serum.png

This is Massive X:

massive.png

I also tested square waves. Serum performed significantly better than MX in terms of aliasing. That is, if you play a C9.

But play a C3 and honestly telling the aliasing apart is pretty much impossible. So now I know; if I am going to ever make music with square waves and I happen to need a note at ninth octave, I should definitively pick Serum in case aliasing is a no-go. I have now developed as a producer.

[perpetual3]

My bad, I thought this thread was about Massive X, not sadowick.

Enjoy your conversation; there’s a reason I rarely participate here.

I agree.
I think people are jumping all over Sadowick with the cringey schoolyard-level insults because they want to boost themselves up, be part of the in-crowd, be seen in a good light by their peers etc. To do this they pick on the outsider, the different person and bully them and ostracise them. You'll notice of course that Sadowick hasn't posted much at all and yet people are still talking about him, slagging him off and saying the same things over and over again.

It's sickening. It's basically a mini version of the same ugly human behaviour that drives a lot of xenophobia, racism and right wing ideology.

Agreed.

[PieBerger]

Ok, my first impression: Massive X does not have a quality problem in the oscillators. There are no aritifacts to speak of with standard waveforms. I agree that SPAN needs to be set to extreme settings to exhibit harmonics on the sine wave. My impression is, the tools Sadowick is using are extremely sensitive, and I can't really work out what the dB-scale grid in the Fabfilter plug-in refers to.

I won't explore complex waveforms as long as I don't know what I'm doing though

50% off u-he diva / repro at NI
some people are going to assume that you can't speak quite as freely as you normally do.
I don't think I am being unreasonable because there's the possibility of a very slight conflict of interest.

Imo NI have lost credibility with this Synth, hardly anyone can deny it wasn't ready for release.
They shouldn't be rewarded for that. None of us should be defending what they are doing.
What next ..loot boxes in a Synth with day 1 dlc?

Because of NKS compatibility...why does everything have to be some Massive (X) conspiracy all of the time?

[vurt]

x files.

[zerocrossing]

And people shouldn't be treated like they committed a capital offense when they made a mistake.

I'm pretty sure the internet runs on men getting into flame wars on forums, (plus selfies of 8 to 35 year old women doing the duckface while flashing fake gang signs on their social media platform of choice). Without these things the ad revenue dries up and we're back to dial up modem speeds as servers are powered down world wide.

So the next time you question whether you should respond to that perceived barb or wrongdoing on the internet realize you are doing Gods Work™

It is so exciting.

[chk071]

Ok, my first impression: Massive X does not have a quality problem in the oscillators. There are no aritifacts to speak of with standard waveforms. I agree that SPAN needs to be set to extreme settings to exhibit harmonics on the sine wave. My impression is, the tools Sadowick is using are extremely sensitive, and I can't really work out what the dB-scale grid in the Fabfilter plug-in refers to.

I won't explore complex waveforms as long as I don't know what I'm doing though

50% off u-he diva / repro at NI
some people are going to assume that you can't speak quite as freely as you normally do.
I don't think I am being unreasonable because there's the possibility of a very slight conflict of interest.

Imo NI have lost credibility with this Synth, hardly anyone can deny it wasn't ready for release.
They shouldn't be rewarded for that. None of us should be defending what they are doing.
What next ..loot boxes in a Synth with day 1 dlc?

Because of NKS compatibility...why does everything have to be some Massive (X) conspiracy all of the time?

I don't even think it's worth a comment. Ridiculous. I'm sure everyone at u-he or NI headquarters will laugh about it.