Hive 2.0

[AnX]

You say like features are something bad.

too much feature is bad, we have a word for it, it's call bloated

we also have another word for it

options

[carrieres]

Options is a nice word but the problem is where to put them in the GUI.
IMHO, tab or right click is ugly

[david.beholder]

Too many features in a synth that's all about efficiency are definitely a bad thing. Take a look a Avenger for example. Very comprehensive synth, tonnes of features but the UI is a cluttered mess and it's tab after tab after tab which equals crap workflow.

Now look at Serum: lot of options, really good selection of them, well thought UI, good workflow.
Most popular BnB synth for modern dance electronic music. Have a lot of features to beat Hive.

Not sure why to compare with Avenger as there are way better examples.

[PieBerger]

Too many features in a synth that's all about efficiency are definitely a bad thing. Take a look a Avenger for example. Very comprehensive synth, tonnes of features but the UI is a cluttered mess and it's tab after tab after tab which equals crap workflow.

Now look at Serum: lot of options, really good selection of them, well thought UI, good workflow.
Most popular BnB synth for modern dance electronic music. Have a lot of features to beat Hive.

Then why don't you just use Serum instead I pretty much stopped using Serum after Hive 2.0 was released because I prefer the UI and it has better workflow imo. Serum is a tabfest (see my example earlier in the thread) for anything other than very basic patches. As soon as you start modulating modulators and or FX it becomes very tedious to keep switching between the different pages.

Why should u-he have to include more features, potentially to the detriment of the workflow, which is one of this synth's biggest draws, just because other synths have it? Again as I mentioned above, competing by replicating features, especially if they compromise the core vision of a product, isn't the kind of healthy, progressive competition that's good for us consumers or devs.

If it is important that all synths have the same features, are you also petitioning Xfer to include all of Hive's new modulation features in an upcoming release? Hive has some pretty sweet modulation capabilities now and I would argue that it's ahead of Serum in this area.

[Urs]

[...] prefer features over workarounds. That's exacly why people are asking for wavetables or unison type/blend control.

My point: The blend control is the workaround. Hive has a universal non-workaround solution: Sub volume vs. main osc volume. Same number of knobs, much more versatile, no extra mousing required.

[Urs]

we also have another word for it

options

In this case: Redundancy. You have the option to "blend unison" in Hive. It's just not an extra control for something that's aready available which clutters the user interface.

[AnX]

we also have another word for it

options

In this case: Redundancy. You have the option to "blend unison" in Hive. It's just not an extra control for something that's aready available which clutters the user interface.

i was referring to features in general, not a specific one.

i have no idea what unison blend is

[Urs]

we also have another word for it

options

In this case: Redundancy. You have the option to "blend unison" in Hive. It's just not an extra control for something that's aready available which clutters the user interface.

i was referring to features in general, not a specific one.

i have no idea what unison blend is

Hehe, no worries. It's not a feature important enough to receive its own space IMHO, and like a dozen other requests I don't think we'll add it. A much more useful addition would be a non-unison "same" option for the sub oscillator.

[PieBerger]

we also have another word for it

options

In this case: Redundancy. You have the option to "blend unison" in Hive. It's just not an extra control for something that's aready available which clutters the user interface.

i was referring to features in general, not a specific one.

i have no idea what unison blend is

Hehe, no worries. It's not a feature important enough to receive its own space IMHO, and like a dozen other requests I don't think we'll add it. A much more useful addition would be a non-unison "same" option for the sub oscillator.

I think a much more useful addition to Hive would be Zebra3 sitting pretty next to it

[EvilDragon]

A much more useful addition would be a non-unison "same" option for the sub oscillator.

Ooh, that actually does sound pretty damn useful!

[KBSoundSmith]

Too many features in a synth that's all about efficiency are definitely a bad thing. Take a look a Avenger for example. Very comprehensive synth, tonnes of features but the UI is a cluttered mess and it's tab after tab after tab which equals crap workflow.

Now look at Serum: lot of options, really good selection of them, well thought UI, good workflow.
Most popular BnB synth for modern dance electronic music. Have a lot of features to beat Hive.

Not sure why to compare with Avenger as there are way better examples.

Except that's not true. You aren't going beyond surface-level details if you're making that assertion. I have licenses for both Serum and Hive. Hive goes beyond Serum's capabilities in most regards, with both greater elegance and polish. Hive achieves the same (or more) with a different implementation and way of thinking.

With Serum vs Hive, it isn't a matter of "this synth has X and that one doesn't." The difference is design philosophy and implementation of features. Serum's MO: simple, straightforward, sacrifice polish to keep things obvious at all times. Hive seems simple and straightforward, but "hides" some of its functionality to keep things simple for less advanced users, as well as to keep everything on one page.

It may simply be the case that Serum's straightforward 1:1 design philosophy suits you better. That's fine, use Serum. But stating its feature set is better or has more options isn't true. I'd do a Serum/Hive comparison in greater depth for you, but -- being guests in u-he's forum -- this doesn't strike me as a polite place to do so, especially since the thread topic isn't "Hive vs Serum."

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

A much more useful addition would be a non-unison "same" option for the sub oscillator.

Ooh, that actually does sound pretty damn useful!

That would be a good one indeed. I ended up using Sub2 for that very purpose the other day. But if it were doing something else...

Another one that I think would fit the existing paradigm well, particularly with the more West Coast shift: more trigger options for Envelopes. I may want to use the gate signals created by FG Rise or Still to trigger Envelope 2 for example. So would love to see those new signals added as trigger sources for envelopes. GUI-wise, it's as simple as adding those to a dropdown [and you know, doing all the coding or whatever to make it actually work].

Last one? I wouldn't mind being able to turn off Keytracking on the oscs. For instance, let's say I want Osc/Layer1 playing a melody and Sub/Layer2 triggering a kick type sound. But I don't want Sub2's tuning changing. I know there's a "Less Keyfollow" matrix preset, but a way to go to "No Keyfollow" would be great (even if only via the Matrix). There may be other ways to do the same thing, but I'm still looking.

[EvilDragon]

Yes, triggering envelopes is another great one I'd love to see in Hive.

[EvilDragon]

BTW, to completely null keytracking for an oscillator, you need to apply keyfollow modulator in one more matrix slot. Load the "Less keyfollow" preset, then in another matrix slot add key follow again, and use just the first destination, set it to -67.00.

It is really far from ideal. We should definitely have a keyfollow toggle button per oscillator.

[Urs]

Yeah, I didn't dare touching the envelopes in order to not break anything. More triggering options is certainly something I've been thinking of.

One issue though: I want envelopes to always trigger by gate. Otherwise it's way to easy to create sounds which don't do a thing or sound erratic, and it might cause a lot of frustration to people who are new to Hive, or even new to synths.