FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

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Jblkid95
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3 posts since 11 Jul, 2019

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:37 pm

I almost bought it, thank god I tried the trial. IL almost pulled a fast one. When I open logic and minimize FL studio window, since it only wants to take up the whole screen, Big black boxes pop up all over the place when i bring back logic and FL studio... also, even though its a plugin... Logic will not play once you have FL open, you literally have to click logic arrange window, so logic can play. What a shame... who puts out releases like this. this is the era we're in now? sheesh

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KVRAF
2207 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:28 pm

Sometimes things are as they are...

It´s true, the VSTi version never worked very well as (like you noticed) i.e. the transports are not synced and the playlist doesn´t loop properly...many essential key commands do not work neither...

I think you have to see the VSTi version as a little addon but I agree that buying FLS just for use it as an instrument in another DAW isn´t a good idea...
It´s an outstanding DAW but not a very good VSTi...
The issues were present since many years and my guess would be they stay at least till 2069 (insiders will understand...:) )

The only way I could imagine using it would be as a subhost for it´s native plugins which should be triggered via midi from your main DAW... (Midi channel 1 triggers the first entry in the channel rack, channel 2 the second and so on...)

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bmanic
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8443 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:36 pm

If key commands don't work, it means the DAW in which you are running the VSTi plugin is stealing /not forwarding them to the plugin. I don't think there's much Image-Line can do about that.

The transport syncing thing has been quite bad in the past but lately it seems to be working just fine for me (tested mainly in Reaper but also used the VSTi plugin of FL Studio in Ableton Live).
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Image-Line
KVRian
973 posts since 2 Dec, 2010 from Belgium, EU.

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:32 pm

Jblkid95 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:37 pm
I almost bought it, thank god I tried the trial. IL almost pulled a fast one....What a shame... who puts out releases like this. this is the era we're in now? sheesh
Welcome to KVR, I see you are on your 3rd post.

Hardly pulling a "fast one" when we provide a time and feature unlimited trial version for this very purpose. Test and see if it meets your needs.

No other DAW on the planet can be used as a plugin. So, yes it's only us making releases like this AFAIK.

You seem a little vehement over the issue. Do we know each other from somewhere else?

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reggie1979
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761 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:48 pm

EDIT, n/m, I'm staying out of it :lol:

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mladi
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518 posts since 14 Apr, 2016 from Germany

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:31 pm

Fl Studio is working great here in Cubase since years. I use it regulary. No issues on Win7 & Win10. It's a unique feature to have a sequencer within a sequencer and to have both worlds under your fingertips. :tu:
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0degree
KVRist
312 posts since 29 Jan, 2017

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:36 pm

mladi wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:31 pm
Fl Studio is working great here in Cubase since years. I use it regulary. No issues on Win7 & Win10. It's a unique feature to have a sequencer within a sequencer and to have both worlds under your fingertips. :tu:
Totally agreed, that’s why I wanted to have it working as FX too

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exmatproton
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2309 posts since 25 Apr, 2011

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:22 pm

mladi wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:31 pm
Fl Studio is working great here in Cubase since years. I use it regulary. No issues on Win7 & Win10. It's a unique feature to have a sequencer within a sequencer and to have both worlds under your fingertips. :tu:
Same here as VSTi in multiple DAW's..

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KVRAF
2207 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:47 pm

bmanic wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:36 pm
If key commands don't work, it means the DAW in which you are running the VSTi plugin is stealing /not forwarding them to the plugin. I don't think there's much Image-Line can do about that.
I don´t mean keyboard stealing...
I mean that IL deactivated for me important shortcuts like i.e. Shift+arrow down in the browser to import next sample to the selected generator...
The transport syncing thing has been quite bad in the past but lately it seems to be working just fine for me (tested mainly in Reaper but also used the VSTi plugin of FL Studio in Ableton Live).
The transport sync works only from the host to FLS VSTi but not from FLS VSTi to the host meaning if you are doing something in FLS loaded as VSTi and you want to stop playback you have to leave FLS to stop the transport of the host...
Second... make a loop in Reaper, put something into FLS playlist and let Reaper go through the loop a few times...
I get many dropouts, missing notes, missing audio etc... on looping back...

Trancit
KVRAF
2207 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:51 pm

Image-Line wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:32 pm
...
No other DAW on the planet can be used as a plugin. So, yes it's only us making releases like this AFAIK.
...
Sorry, but that´s not true...
EnergyXT did this forever, not sure about Usine and at the very end there is Rewire where we got multiple candidates... not a plugin in this sense but at the very end not much differences

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nix808
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3802 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:54 am

Hi ImageLine,
jblKid is quite correct,
he is pointing at the Mac release.
This is not the best way to bug report,
but I get it too on my Mac.
You guys really did some magic to make the Mac version!
-it's my fav host on my ancient Mac that I can only update as far as El Capitan.
For me, not running FL as a plugin, but as host and as only program open- any VST can decide to turn it's screen black. This can be solved by opening and closing the plugin window. I have the current FL version, just updated yesterday after being off Mac for some months.
Clicking any FL control can set the plug window black, which is countered by close/open window.
Thanks for the new plug! I'll surf it with a little joy fer sure

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Russell Grand
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1861 posts since 22 May, 2017

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:28 am

reggie1979 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:48 pm
EDIT, n/m, I'm staying out of it :lol:
That's a damn good idea. :smack:

reggie1979
KVRian
761 posts since 26 Nov, 2018

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:12 am

:roll:

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bmanic
KVRAF
8443 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:15 am

Trancit wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:47 pm
bmanic wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:36 pm
If key commands don't work, it means the DAW in which you are running the VSTi plugin is stealing /not forwarding them to the plugin. I don't think there's much Image-Line can do about that.
I don´t mean keyboard stealing...
I mean that IL deactivated for me important shortcuts like i.e. Shift+arrow down in the browser to import next sample to the selected generator...
Ah I see. Yeah that's a bummer indeed. I've been hoping for FL Studio to get some kind of flexible custom keyboard shortcut thing ala Reaper at some point (doesn't need to be as fully featured as Reaper actions. Even the basic ability to make custom keyboard commands for all possible commands would be nice).
Trancit wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:47 pm
The transport syncing thing has been quite bad in the past but lately it seems to be working just fine for me (tested mainly in Reaper but also used the VSTi plugin of FL Studio in Ableton Live).
The transport sync works only from the host to FLS VSTi but not from FLS VSTi to the host meaning if you are doing something in FLS loaded as VSTi and you want to stop playback you have to leave FLS to stop the transport of the host...
Second... make a loop in Reaper, put something into FLS playlist and let Reaper go through the loop a few times...
I get many dropouts, missing notes, missing audio etc... on looping back...
True, there's no way to trigger the DAW with the transport from FL Studio VSTi. Do you know any other VSTi that has such deep integration that it can control the host DAW? Is this functionality even a part of the VST plugin SDK? Personally it's not really a problem as I run two monitors so I can see both Reaper and FL Studio at the same time but I can see how this is annoying working with only one screen.

I haven't had problems with dropped notes yet but I did in the past have huge problems with this. Especially with short loops.

Having said that, I've only used FL Studio VSTi for simple drum things with mainly the step sequencer.. meaning I haven't done anything complex where problems could very well arise. It's always been clunky and unreliable in the past so you may very well be correct.
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Trancit
KVRAF
2207 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX

Post Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:07 am

bmanic wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:15 am
...True, there's no way to trigger the DAW with the transport from FL Studio VSTi. Do you know any other VSTi that has such deep integration that it can control the host DAW? Is this functionality even a part of the VST plugin SDK? ...
No, I don´t think so... but with FLS it hurts double imho as you work basically in a second window like with rewire slaves and these are mostly able to do so... doesn´t work neither with FLS Rewire...

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