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Daru925 · Post by **Daru925** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 am

Where did i say it HAS to be free?

I still remember how amazing fruityloops 3.56 was to me. So much new stuff.
2019 is sad in comparison. Enjoy your ready made presets? No thanks.
No offense to presets enthusiasts.
KTHXBYE

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:38 pm

Daru925 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:21 am ... That way people who use presets are happy, and people who like to create their own patches would be happy too.
Just a suggestion.

And therefor it´s a godsend that you´ve got the choice out of about 1500 or more synths/samplers/modulars...etc...as VSTi´s which you can happily tweak to create your own patches...

What do you think would be different if you´ve got 1 more with a programmable FLEX???

Daru925 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 am ...Enjoy your ready made presets? No thanks. ...

Nobody forces you to use that... I think a patch creator like you got already enough stuff to play with...

imagination · Post by **imagination** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:17 pm

Daru925 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:21 am Yes, why not release a full version inside fl alongside sytrus and harmor, if flex is a real synth, and not just some nexus-like preset player? That way people who use presets are happy, and people who like to create their own patches would be happy too.
Just a suggestion.

Because it's all about milking the expansion cow. You don't give away the entire cow for free, silly.

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:56 am

Daru925 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:07 am I still remember how amazing fruityloops 3.56 was to me. So much new stuff.
2019 is sad in comparison.

Why sad? - FL Studio 20.5 vs 3.56 the experience, there is only more of everything.

Or are you confusing the excitement and unlimited possibilities of being 14 with the reality and responsibilities of being 31 ?

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:06 am

imagination wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:17 pm
Daru925 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:21 am Yes, why not release a full version inside fl alongside sytrus and harmor, if flex is a real synth, and not just some nexus-like preset player? That way people who use presets are happy, and people who like to create their own patches would be happy too.
Just a suggestion.
Because it's all about milking the expansion cow. You don't give away the entire cow for free, silly.

Isn't this like an (artistic) painter complaining they can't paint with the 32 colors provided in a box, unless they can custom tint every color in that pallet?

FLEX is just a box of (counting, as of 26 july ... ) 407 free colors and 449 paid ones.

BTW we don't "milk" our customers. They can choose to buy everything we make or just FL Studio and nothing extra. It's up to them, and there is no penalty in doing the latter. They still get Lifetime Free Updates and everything that includes, like FLEX including 407 free presets and more on the way.

imagination · Post by **imagination** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:30 am

Image-Line wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:06 am
imagination wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:17 pm
Daru925 wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:21 am Yes, why not release a full version inside fl alongside sytrus and harmor, if flex is a real synth, and not just some nexus-like preset player? That way people who use presets are happy, and people who like to create their own patches would be happy too.
Just a suggestion.
Because it's all about milking the expansion cow. You don't give away the entire cow for free, silly.
Isn't this like an (artistic) painter complaining they can't paint with the 32 colors provided in a box, unless they can custom tint every color in that pallet?

FLEX is just a box of (counting, as of 26 july ... ) 407 free colors and 449 paid ones.

BTW we don't "milk" our customers. They can choose to buy everything we make or just FL Studio and nothing extra. It's up to them, and there is no penalty in doing the latter. They still get Lifetime Free Updates and everything that includes, like FLEX including 407 free presets and more on the way.

So you're saying FLEX wasn't designed and created to be given away free, with the idea in mind to sell additional expansions?

The "gift" that keeps on giving?

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:10 am

imagination wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:30 amSo you're saying FLEX wasn't designed and created to be given away free, with the idea in mind to sell additional expansions?

The "gift" that keeps on giving?

Why do you give so much of a crap? Who the hell do you think you are to question what a company's motives for making a product are? You might want to do some research on what a "business" is, because it seems as if though your knowledge is kind of skewed on that subject. My advice to you would be to go get a life. It's getting really tired Mr. Entitled boy.

imagination · Post by **imagination** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:22 am

THE INTRANCER wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:44 am There's one big thing that matters to me about DAW developers, and it's how they are able to accept criticism of the product they have or even that of the company.

Image Line, has been around for some 20 years, yet all I ever feel and see from them is, just a lack of self-confidence in their product and what people say about it...and are so quick to try and defend it as if there is something to defend.. and get embroiled in meaningless arguments about something irrelevant rather than the whole point of the topic as per earlier in this thread....

It's like, I've just gone back 30 years to high school all over again. It doesn't fill me with confidence about a product or to see a company or representative of a product do this...it just rings alarm bells..to what I might be thinking.

It appears to be a contagious mentality and attitude too.

imagination · Post by **imagination** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:27 am

toddbooster wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:25 pm Aren't they going to be selling add-on packs for Flex? Isn't it more akin to giving the junkies a taste to hook them to open up a new revenue stream? The synth is free, but the content isn't, so it's business as usual really.

I guess this is the new business model for software synths? It's about as close as you can get to a subscription model without crossing the line?

imagination · Post by **imagination** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:32 am

v1o wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:28 pm Flex is just a rompler style synth to sell sound packs.

Give them a few good presets, a bunch of fillers and "B sides", then sell them more content at what seems to be a low cost, genius.

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:41 am

I appreciate the free updates and what they give and also wish well for there success so they may continue.

I use flstudio and like them as a company so I'm having a hard time understanding these other viewpoints/concerns. If you are the same, what's the deal?

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:01 am

imagination wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:30 am The "gift" that keeps on giving?

Oh wait, I didn't realize I was responding to Edward. Please ignore

imagination · Post by **imagination** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:03 am

Touch The Universe wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:41 am I appreciate the free updates and what they give and also wish well for there success so they may continue.

I use flstudio and like them as a company so I'm having a hard time understanding these other viewpoints/concerns. If you are the same, what's the deal?

I appreciate your honest feedback and opinion, but it has me thinking about what you've said. Why does a company feel the need to give away free updates for life? Is it because they don't feel their software warrants a paid upgrade? Does it not contain enough value every upgrade to be worth the money? Could it be because of the competition and it's the only way to attracted customers, that may not be able to afford upgrades? Such as, kids, teens and students just getting into the beatmaking game?

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:15 am

Because Edward. The founders of the company decided to give free updates, as they were tired of having to constantly to pay to get bugs fixed in the the software they used.

What started as something from the heart, a crazy idea, that has been company policy for 21 years and needs to answer to no-one. None of the reasons you list was even a consideration, nor has been ever since. We decided to be generous.

It turns out that no-one followed our lead until the age of the mobile App. Glad to see some companies have caught up, because it clearly benefits the consumer.

TrojakEW · Post by **TrojakEW** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:38 am

imagination wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:03 amWhy does a company feel the need to give away free updates for life? Is it because they don't feel their software warrants a paid upgrade? Does it not contain enough value every upgrade to be worth the money? Could it be because of the competition and it's the only way to attracted customers, that may not be able to afford upgrades? Such as, kids, teens and students just getting into the beatmaking game?

Based on your analogy it means that all free instruments and effects sucks because they are free

. It looks like your are developer of one of those other companies who charge for their updates and you are mad that it don't sell good enough or you are using DAW that cost fortune to update and you are blaming yourself why I don't have FL Studio with free updates.

And no I'm not a kid or student and I'm not getting into the beatmaking game. I just really enjoing free updates for great DAW I'm using. What about you? What is your problem?

FL Studio 20.5 | Introducing a new free plugin FLEX