I really enjoy working with Hive 2 but I have a hard time not being able to do some very important things, or I didn´t find a way to do them. So any help appreciated!
After painstakingly modifiying several different modulations, I can´t find a way to save the complete settings of Matrix A, Matrix B or both together as a preset, so that I can load the exact same modulation to my other presets without having to do all the hard work from scratch again.
The same applies to the XY section. I´m talking about hundreds of parameters I have assigned to all the slots and I´m not able to use them for any preset I want, without having to do everything from scratch again. You can´t imagine how tedious this is when you are sound designing patches..
I know there is the lock function but this is not the same at all. Having to lock/unlock every single parameter I want to disable/enable manually for any of my patches can´t be a workaround.
Hive 2 - save and load complete modulation and XY settings
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Hey SmartCat 
We have heard this request once before, but never "got" why anyone would want to save/recall multiple matrix assignments, as what is required overall is different for every patch. The user didn't make a compelling case for such a feature, but you are invited to convince us!
We have heard this request once before, but never "got" why anyone would want to save/recall multiple matrix assignments, as what is required overall is different for every patch. The user didn't make a compelling case for such a feature, but you are invited to convince us!
Last edited by Howard on Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 127 posts since 24 May, 2017
Thanks for your reply, Howard!
Ok, lets take this example: I do a lot of film composing with tons of ambient, padlike beds, underscore and I want to program a soundset which includes 20 pads, 20 soundscapes, 20 drones etc.. to use for creating my projects.
Now having programmed specific complex modulation slots which are just perfect for such kind of sounds, it is so much more easier and convenient having only to load one of this pre-configured modulation sets and then just make subtle changes.
The same with the XY settings.
This is really so important if you know exactly what modulation and motion you want to apply on your sound but you are forced to search for this one specific set of modulation and XY settings every time, copy each slot individually or making screenshots etc and paste or set them manually for the other sound. Which of course is a different patch but requires the same or a very similar modulation with slight variations.
Ok, lets take this example: I do a lot of film composing with tons of ambient, padlike beds, underscore and I want to program a soundset which includes 20 pads, 20 soundscapes, 20 drones etc.. to use for creating my projects.
Now having programmed specific complex modulation slots which are just perfect for such kind of sounds, it is so much more easier and convenient having only to load one of this pre-configured modulation sets and then just make subtle changes.
The same with the XY settings.
This is really so important if you know exactly what modulation and motion you want to apply on your sound but you are forced to search for this one specific set of modulation and XY settings every time, copy each slot individually or making screenshots etc and paste or set them manually for the other sound. Which of course is a different patch but requires the same or a very similar modulation with slight variations.
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Why not create a template preset for each of the types (pad, soundscape, drone...)?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 127 posts since 24 May, 2017
I´m not sure what you mean with template preset.
When I load a preset, my sound is gone. I want to load the modulation settings for all sounds I already programmed. Or on factory sounds that are very similar to what I´m searching for, but need this one specific matrix set that I have already programmed for preset X.
When I load a preset, my sound is gone. I want to load the modulation settings for all sounds I already programmed. Or on factory sounds that are very similar to what I´m searching for, but need this one specific matrix set that I have already programmed for preset X.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 127 posts since 24 May, 2017
What I am asking for is already possible for the FX section. You can save and load a complete chain of effects as one preset. Why shouldn´t this be possible for the modulation, for the XY section?
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- KVRAF
- 24446 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Because you can have situations which make no sense - i.e. modulating wavetable parameters for an oscillator that doesn't have a wavetable selected, etc.
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Though it's not the way I would work, you appear to be saying you already know what matrix assignments you will need for all 20 of your "drones" (for instance). The obvious solution would be to create the "drone" set of matrix assignments first and save as "Drone Template.h2p". Then load that file each time you want to make a new drone. Same for the soundscapes etc..
FX is a chain, the matrix isn't. Very different things. I'm trying to think of an analogy that makes this clear... but drawing a blank right now. (Ir's the heat, I tell ya)What I am asking for is already possible for the FX section. You can save and load a complete chain of effects...(etc)
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 127 posts since 24 May, 2017
Wow, I don´t know why but you completely ignored what I wrote, so I will paste it again:Howard wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:30 amThough it's not the way I would work, you appear to be saying you already know what matrix assignments you will need for all 20 of your "drones" (for instance). The obvious solution would be to create the "drone" set of matrix assignments first and save as "Drone Template.h2p". Then load that file each time you want to make a new drone. Same for the soundscapes etc..
What you are saying is good if you start a new sound from scratch only.I want to load the modulation settings for all sounds I already programmed. Or on factory sounds that are very similar to what I´m searching for, but need this one specific matrix set that I have already programmed for preset X and then just make subtle changes.
I disagree. Why is a combination of modulation slots (1-6 or 7-12) not a chain? Of course it is!What I am asking for is already possible for the FX section. You can save and load a complete chain of effects...(etc)
FX is a chain, the matrix isn't. Very different things. I'm trying to think of an analogy that makes this clear...
Reading this and your first post of this thread I´m coming to the conclusion that you don´t seem to understand exactly the matter, which is not an offense at all, please don´t misunderstand me here, I don´t know how to explain it better. You seem to be very focused only on your own workflow and so you don´t see or understand the importance of such feature.
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
If you think that the matrix is anything like a chain, I can't help you because we don't speak the same synth language. Can someone else chime it?
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- KVRAF
- 24446 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Mod matrix is NOT a chain. It's individual assignments that have nothing to do with one another. FX is a different matter altogether.
(Also, do note that Howard is actually one of u-he employees, so mind your tone, maybe? Also if there's somebody who did hundreds of patches for filmscores, it's Howard!)
(Also, do note that Howard is actually one of u-he employees, so mind your tone, maybe? Also if there's somebody who did hundreds of patches for filmscores, it's Howard!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 127 posts since 24 May, 2017
As I wrote to Howard I didn´t mean to offense him with what I said or be rude in any way. I´m very sorry, english is not my native languange and I´m very thankful that Howard is listening and supporting.EvilDragon wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:32 pm Mod matrix is NOT a chain. It's individual assignments that have nothing to do with one another. FX is a different matter altogether.
(Also, do note that Howard is actually one of u-he employees, so mind your tone, maybe? Also if there's somebody who did hundreds of patches for filmscores, it's Howard!
Now, if you could let us continue our conversation and stop being a smartass, it would be great, thank you
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 127 posts since 24 May, 2017
Of course, technically it is not a chain. Here I mean by "chain" the combination of several mod slots (1-6, 7-12)Howard wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:13 pm If you think that the matrix is anything like a chain, I can't help you because we don't speak the same synth language. Can someone else chime it?
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- KVRAF
- 12491 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Well, now you're definitely being rude.SmartCat wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:42 pm Now, if you could let us continue our conversation and stop being a smartass, it would be great, thank you
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 127 posts since 24 May, 2017
I really wasn´t rude and I made it more than clear in my post but if someone insults you falsely, you have to respond appropriate.EvilDragon wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:32 pm Also, do note that Howard is actually one of u-he employees, so mind your tone, maybe?
Again, I started this post to ask for support, nothing more. As a paying customer I have the right to do this. I was always kind and polite with my words and tried to make myself clear as good as I can so that Howard understands what I mean. If something sounded too harsh in my attempt to articulate, Howard, please accept my apologies. This was never my intention.
I wil make a video and a mock-up and try to make more clear what I mean and why we all would benefit from my request.