Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

[ratbeach]

Awesome gonna read now!

What a cool idea, will certainly keep my eye on this

Trueno?

Grab it now while you still can

I have a thread about it too with a tiny review. And a link to a SOS review. And BONES reviewed it too lately.
Read.
Feel GAS.

[stearine]

KVR:

DRM on a stick: "Boycotting because I don't have free USB ports."
Analog synth on a stick: "I need four, and a 4-port USB hub."

[JerGoertz]

Trueno?

Grab it now while you still can

Why, are they going out of business?

[BONES]

Not specifically but it's not hard to see that it probably hasn't been the success they had hoped for. I think people just need to be more aware of its existence. It is such a cool concept and so well executed that I'm sure it would be a lot more successful if more people knew about it. The hardware feels really solid and the packaging and manual are first-class.

[JerGoertz]

Well, the sound certainly impressed me. The only place I've found to buy it that ships to the U.S. is the trueno website. Any other U.S. sellers who are cheaper?

[BONES]

Amazon? They definitely sell it, not sure of the price. Won't Gear-4-Music ship it? They shipped it here to Australia in less than 3 days for a reasonable price.

[Distorted Horizon]

Trueno?

Grab it now while you still can

Why, are they going out of business?

Not necessarily, but like Bones said, it may have not been such success they hoped for. So I see it possible that once the current devices get sold, they won't build another bunch for sale.

Unless people find it and it becomes the success it deserves to be.

[ghettosynth]

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[ENV1]

Have to agree with ghettosynth here.

(Which is rare, but nonetheless.)

I remember when this was announced i was all excited about the concept because theoretically (if taken to the max) it would have been possible to turn this into a real cool modular thing, i.e. there could have been a special hub with a certain number of serial and parallel slots into which you would then pop your modules in order to build a true-analog and truly-modular synthesizer on a footprint smaller than anyone would have believed possible. But then came the first sound demonstrations, and to call them anti-climactic would be an understatement. The sound just wasnt there, and i could instantly think of a whole bunch of software synthesizers that beat the proverbial pants off this analog solution. To be perfectly honest i thought it sounded aweful, (especially with the more extreme sounds), and mind you this is coming from a guy who always loved raw synthesizer sounds as used in so many synth-heavy songs in the early and mid 80s. (DAF and the likes spring to mind.)

So no, apart from the small form-factor im not seeing the appeal either. In my opinion, if what Trueno delivers is all youre gonna get from an analog device you might as well save the money and use a digital/software solution where no corners have been cut for budget and/or finite-PCB-space reasons.

Just my opinion of course, but considering how quickly Trueno was forgotten again once the first audio demos appeared i think its reasonable to assume that most other people probably felt the same way.

[BONES]

You haven't really taken a minute to see what it offers, have you? It's not just an analogue synth, it has more than 100 different digital oscillator waveforms as well, which can be edited by the user. It has 6 x envelopes and 4 x LFO with drag'n'drop modulation. It's actually a beast of a thing. The "all you're gonna get" here leaves most hardware analogues in the dust, all for the price of a decent softsynth. I'd say that's pretty damned amazing.

I'm not really hearing anything special.

If that's true, you and I have very different ideas of "special". In it's own way, it is every bit as special as Rocket or Analog Keys to me, possibly moreso. I've never heard anything that sounds like it.

Sounds fine, but I can't really see that it has a use case that justifies the price over soft synths.

Ummm… it's cheaper than a lot of softsynths - DUNE, Hive, Massive, Thorn, Diva, RePro, Sylenth 1 and most other popular plugins and none of those sound the way Trueno can.

I mean, the only valid point anyone brings up over here is "analog in a tiny space," but I'm finding hard to believe that you can't find space for a neutron if you really want analog

Neutron has nothing on this - only two oscillators, only two envelopes, only one LFO, no patch memory and, from what I can see, no velocity or aftertouch support. Honestly, you couldn't give me a Neutron. If I had one it would end up as a door-stop. It's made for a completely different market.

I mean, I could produce in the back seat of my car and find room for a neutron.

Whereas I couldn't think of a single use for one. Like I said, different market.

[Reefius]

I think the main reason why something like Trueno is not successful is that most people buy analog gear for the hands-on experience. Twisting real knobs is still a lot more fun than turning virtual knobs with a mouse.
I'm sure you can assign Trueno's parameters to a controller, but it's still not the same than having all controls of a synth in front of you.

[ENV1]

You haven't really taken a minute to see what it offers, have you? It's not just an analogue synth, it has more than 100 different digital oscillator waveforms as well, which can be edited by the user. It has 6 x envelopes and 4 x LFO with drag'n'drop modulation. It's actually a beast of a thing. The "all you're gonna get" here leaves most hardware analogues in the dust, all for the price of a decent softsynth. I'd say that's pretty damned amazing.

Dont get me wrong. If you like it and find it usable, great.

All im saying is that the sound of the analog part totally wasnt my cup of tea. (Which to me was the only interesting part, because for digital waveforms and lots of modulators i can fire up any number of software synths.) Thus i didnt see a point in buying a USB synth for that.

But like i said, if you like it and find it usable; only thing that counts.

[perpetual3]

Has anybody here got Trueno to work in Live 9.7.7 on Mac OS Mojave?

Because I can’t get the plugins to even show up in Live, Maschine, or Komplete Kontrol. In Reason and Reaper it does show up but no sound.

I really want to love this thing, but Trueno support hasn’t responded to my last support email sent exactly one week ago.

[gentleclockdivider]

You haven't really taken a minute to see what it offers, have you? It's not just an analogue synth, it has more than 100 different digital oscillator waveforms as well, which can be edited by the user. It has 6 x envelopes and 4 x LFO with drag'n'drop modulation. It's actually a beast of a thing. The "all you're gonna get" here leaves most hardware analogues in the dust, all for the price of a decent softsynth. I'd say that's pretty damned amazing.

I'm not really hearing anything special.

If that's true, you and I have very different ideas of "special". In it's own way, it is every bit as special as Rocket or Analog Keys to me, possibly moreso. I've never heard anything that sounds like it.

Sounds fine, but I can't really see that it has a use case that justifies the price over soft synths.

Ummm… it's cheaper than a lot of softsynths - DUNE, Hive, Massive, Thorn, Diva, RePro, Sylenth 1 and most other popular plugins and none of those sound the way Trueno can.

I mean, the only valid point anyone brings up over here is "analog in a tiny space," but I'm finding hard to believe that you can't find space for a neutron if you really want analog

Neutron has nothing on this - only two oscillators, only two envelopes, only one LFO, no patch memory and, from what I can see, no velocity or aftertouch support. Honestly, you couldn't give me a Neutron. If I had one it would end up as a door-stop. It's made for a completely different market.

I mean, I could produce in the back seat of my car and find room for a neutron.

Whereas I couldn't think of a single use for one. Like I said, different market.

LOL , says the guy who's bashing valhalla based on it's gui without even trying .
You utter utter two-faced hypocrite

[chk071]

Not specifically but it's not hard to see that it probably hasn't been the success they had hoped for.

Doesn't surprise me. Concept wise, it's sort of neither fish nor flesh. It doesn't have the advantages of hands on hardware, and it doesn't have the flexibility a VSTi can offer.