Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[The Sarge!]

@msvs
the question from Stefken wasn´t for the compatible, it was for the 5-XPs from Sweetwater-Deal, where you said that we can change it also to upcoming XPs - will this be for sure after this warez-dilemma?

[HcDoom]

Hi Manuel,

I am sad this is happening, I know the feeling. But, pls, no dongles, I would opt for ilok machine auth or software elicenser, but...pls...NO dongles!

Thx

[HoRNet]

Realistic dev (e.g. Hornet): I don't waste time and money on copy protection, because it always gets cracked.

That's easy to say when you're a one man company with almost no sales. Actually, it would be pretty crazy not to think like that in that case.

Just to point out, we make more than 1k sales each month, I don’t know if this accounts for “almost no sales”

Saverio

[msvs]

@msvs
the question from Stefken wasn´t for the compatible, it was for the 5-XPs from Sweetwater-Deal, where you said that we can change it also to upcoming XPs - will this be for sure after this warez-dilemma?

yes of course... will be possible with 1.5... and even with 2.0... and even with 5.0
the code is only activating an XP in your account, no matter which version, or which XP version

[The Sarge!]

Just to point out, we make more than 1k sales each month, I don’t know if this accounts for “almost no sales”

Saverio

hmm, there where I often hang up, I´ve never heard about Hornet-PlugIns...
but nice to hear, that your company is so successful that you have over 12000 saled items year after year

[The Sarge!]

@msvs
the question from Stefken wasn´t for the compatible, it was for the 5-XPs from Sweetwater-Deal, where you said that we can change it also to upcoming XPs - will this be for sure after this warez-dilemma?

yes of course... will be possible with 1.5... and even with 2.0... and even with 5.0
the code is only activating an XP in your account, no matter which version, or which XP version

thanks a lot Manuel, that was what we want to hear

PS: nicht den Kopf hängen lassen, ich weiß, leichter gesagt als getan

[Examigan]

Software iLok is OK by me. I have many plugins that have that protection and I never have issues.

[plrdmus]

Aaaaaand the only reason I kept using Avenger instead of Nexus is now gone.

Anybody want to buy Avenger ? It's dead to me if a Dongle is required in the future. It's the only reason I bought it in the first place because it required no dongle.

I don't use Pirated software, never have never will.

Oh well add Vengeance to my "dead developer's list"........

[chk071]

Realistic dev (e.g. Hornet): I don't waste time and money on copy protection, because it always gets cracked.

That's easy to say when you're a one man company with almost no sales. Actually, it would be pretty crazy not to think like that in that case.

Just to point out, we make more than 1k sales each month, I don’t know if this accounts for “almost no sales”

Saverio

That's quite a lot indeed. My apologies, i thought you were a rather small business.

[Razzia]

I'm normally pretty neutral about warez. I don't use them and haven't since I was like 21, but I don't take a strong stance against it normally.

In this particular case it upset me a little though because -- admittedly for somewhat selfish reasons -- I'd hoped VPS and Avenger to be sustainable. The guys at VPS have made IMO the world's best, most feature rich softsynth, and they've given us a shitload of huge updates for free.

I mean most paid, number-version updates don't add as much to a synth as we've gotten in free updates from Avenger. Hell, a LOT of paid softsynths don't have as many features in total as have been added to avenger in free updates. I guess I can understand the distaste for dongles, but if anyone takes issue with paying for an update they're kidding themselves. I just hope it won't be very expensive, as the price will already be inflated by the need for VPS to purchase license keys from Steinberg.

I might be a little annoyed about the switch if I didn't already have a dongle, but I'd still consider it well worth it. Only thing that kind of sucks is that elicenser is crappy about multiple computers, and I enjoy being able to idly do a bit of sound design on my laptop with Avenger.

[mitchiemasha]

I'm probably alone here but I supported the dongle from the start. It's the only way to protect our investment. Now everybody has free access to the sounds I've used. I really feel bad for you Man, lots of hard work taken, if you do chose Steinbergs elicencer, i'll still fully support the synth... although I only buy a few expansions in the sales so not quite fully.

I hope the protection implementation doesn't slow down your vision for Avenger too much.

[mitchiemasha]

Dark avenger in progress.jpg

Loving the skin, how's it coming on?

[Sampleconstruct]

The downside of those 50% mega schmega sales...I have no problem with eLicenser whatsoever and will pay what it takes to run Avenger 2.0

[rickymark]

Ugh, not sure about this dongle biznizz tbh

[noiseboyuk]

Manuel, several people have asked about using a software elicenser, grateful if you could comment on this.