I'd expect their newer plugins have some kind of internal optimisations for this. E.g., Primal Tap, the reverb....
Soundtoys 6 - What would you like to see?
- KVRAF
- 23288 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
No, it has the least aliasing out of these four plugins.egbert wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:12 pm
Seems like Decapitator has pretty bad aliasing at 44.1 kHz (at the time of publication of this article, at least)
10k is pretty darn high btw. - not something you'd get normally much of with recorded program material...
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
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- KVRAF
- 4205 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific
The foldover peaks just demonstrate the aliasing - of course a single 10 kHz sine wave is not program material anyone is going to use in real life. The extra peaks on the decapitator test would not be there if internal OS were used - the graph for the 44.1 kHz would look like the 96 kHz one if 2x OS were used.jens wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:25 pmNo, it has the least aliasing out of these four plugins.egbert wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:12 pm
Seems like Decapitator has pretty bad aliasing at 44.1 kHz (at the time of publication of this article, at least)
10k is pretty darn high btw. - not something you'd get normally much of with recorded program material...
Voxengo has optional oversampling settings on quite a few of his plugins like Elephant and some of the comps and other processors. You can pick from a drop down menu 2x, 4x,8x etc. PSP has HQ modes that are switchable. The idea being to eliminate the foldover artifacts in the audio band. Kinda suprised that here we are in 2019 - 25 years or so after VST plugins tipped up - and this is not standard practice.
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- KVRian
- 511 posts since 2 Jan, 2004
An excellent upgrade price for version 5 bundle owners
- KVRist
- 103 posts since 17 Jul, 2003
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- KVRAF
- 3367 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
I don't know how they stay in business. They haven't made a new product in years. If they actually made new stuff or even updated the bundle I'd buy in an instant.
Orion Platinum, Muzys 2
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- KVRAF
- 3367 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
Well the Soundtoys plugins have been used on countless now classic records. That sound has become immortalised and is now highly sought after.
The Soundtoys guys know what their doing they used to make hardware rack gear and FX pedals at Eventide in the 80s.
Orion Platinum, Muzys 2
- KVRAF
- 10187 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
I can’t see them doing (and personally don’t want from them) something as vanilla as another boring ass compressor, since they’re generally more into creative effects (hence their name). I do like their recent trend of modernizing some niche vintage effects, but also wouldn’t mind seeing their take on a transient designer.
Also, as cool as the rack is, I’ve always sorta wished for a single streamlined multi-effect that features the key parameters from FilterFreak, EchoBoy, Decapitator, and maybe PhaseMistress, with the usual modulation and sequencing. Maybe that’s just me, though?
Also, as cool as the rack is, I’ve always sorta wished for a single streamlined multi-effect that features the key parameters from FilterFreak, EchoBoy, Decapitator, and maybe PhaseMistress, with the usual modulation and sequencing. Maybe that’s just me, though?
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- KVRAF
- 23288 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
You weren't actually replying at all to what I said, so I am a bit unsure why you were quoting me.egbert wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:33 amThe foldover peaks just demonstrate the aliasing - of course a single 10 kHz sine wave is not program material anyone is going to use in real life. The extra peaks on the decapitator test would not be there if internal OS were used - the graph for the 44.1 kHz would look like the 96 kHz one if 2x OS were used.jens wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:25 pmNo, it has the least aliasing out of these four plugins.egbert wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:12 pm
Seems like Decapitator has pretty bad aliasing at 44.1 kHz (at the time of publication of this article, at least)
10k is pretty darn high btw. - not something you'd get normally much of with recorded program material...
Voxengo has optional oversampling settings on quite a few of his plugins like Elephant and some of the comps and other processors. You can pick from a drop down menu 2x, 4x,8x etc. PSP has HQ modes that are switchable. The idea being to eliminate the foldover artifacts in the audio band. Kinda suprised that here we are in 2019 - 25 years or so after VST plugins tipped up - and this is not standard practice.
But let me reiterate what I meant in case it was unclear somehow:
1) 10k is really very high a signal.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_(mu ... cal_ranges
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Of the four plugins tested, Decapitator clearly has got the least aliasing. (BX Saturator has got the most).
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33109 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Ah, yes, that makes sense; a company with one of the longest pedigrees in digital sound effects processing, which includes the designers of the Eventide H3000, don't know how to sound 'PRO'.
Sounds legit.
Please remind us all again what the metric for 'PRO' is?
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- Banned
- 658 posts since 4 Oct, 2018
That was the early nineties. And most of their effects are from mid-00'ies. I suppose that A LOT could be improved. Exhibit one: aliasing. Exhibit two: Phase Mistress. Not the most convincing phaser ever. Exhibit three: Echoboy. For all its pretences to sound 'analog', it's nothing of the kind. Read: fake.whyterabbyt wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:20 amAh, yes, that makes sense; a company with one of the longest pedigrees in digital sound effects processing, which includes the designers of the Eventide H3000, don't know how to sound 'PRO'.
Sounds legit.
Please remind us all again what the metric for 'PRO' is?
Et cetera.
I'm not him, but I suppose he would argue something along those lines.
EDIT: Oh, and what is the metric? Current state of the art, of course. Please don't tell me that science is subjective.
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