For Steinberg, any future product and update release, Windows below 10 is 'dead'

[Psuper]

It was inevitable unfortunately. You need to spend a good amount of time to actually lock it down properly, most people have no idea how many "ears and mouths" Windows 10 has

Or... they simply don't share the same amount of concern in that regard.

True. They should, but that's up to them --- I don't care about 'their' privacy, and they are most likely the same people who still use google and have listening devices all over their homes.

What does that mean anyway, "ears and mouths"?

Laymen example for collecting and distributing data. Other than that, same thing I just wrote above applies to this.

Final thought: I have nothing to hide, but plenty to steal, and even more I'd rather keep to myself, as do most of us. I just take it seriously.

[mladi]

I don't get some people's logic... They always want to be able to run the latest version of everything, except their OS.

Hehe.. that is true.

[v1o]

I don't get some people's logic... They always want to be able to run the latest version of everything, except their OS.

Some people complain for the sake of it. There's only a few people on here who genuinely only run old setups. Like the guy that sticks to Windows XP 32 bit.

[Hink]

however, it is important for us to remember other people's preferences no matter how foreign to us is ok.

[jonljacobi]

Did they say it wouldn’t work, or just that they won’t support it? I run W10 and honestly wouldn’t consider going back so it makes no never mind to me.

[CrystalWizard]

Glad i don’t use cubase. Plenty of good reasons to avoid windoze 10. After 7 goes unsupported it’s time for PiHole or just get a beater machine for internet and keep my music machine off line.

[BBFG#]

I don't get some people's logic... They always want to be able to run the latest version of everything, except their OS.

I run two machines now and I would like them both to have the latest OS. In fact I upgraded the first one to W8.1 before 10 was announced and then found Roland and Korg refused to write drivers for two of my hardware synths. One had the last update to 8, the other stopped at 7. They're work around was simply run them like a twenty year old synth. So I downgraded one machine, that can run 10, that I would like to run 10, but that the companies discontinued and abandoned two years after their last upgrade.
So 7 it is. Not by choice. But by necessity of preference in running everything ITB as it did before.

It's not a desire to rebel against the OS.

But the other machine is 10, and software only. Biggest problem being that Windows changed the way class compliance identifies controllers also.

And yes, it feels like they do these things purposely.

[Saffran]

I've downgraded my two win10 to win7. Too much waste of time tweeking win10 and affected software after updates.
Lack of support to earlier windows isn't a problem. If, and that's a BIG if, there's a non solvable problem i just reinstall using a backup image.
PS. I hope you are aware of the fact that all these security updates, the treath isn't as severe as they make them to be. At least for those of you that aren't computer illiterate. They don't tell you that most of the attacks need either that you open an email attachment or that they have physical access to your pc. To get infected on a website only means you're stupid.
PPS. 20190828. It seems one of the Windows 10 major upgrades has made sure that Windows 10 re-enables the wuauserv service on its own, even if the service has been set to disable, even by the administrator. That’s the key here. Windows 10 uses Admin credentials to make sure it can re-enable Windows Update everytime it is in a disabled state. That means you have to mess with windows services and windows registry to disable, not pospone, updates.
Ordinary pc users would probably hesitate to do that because of the risk of breaking something and get the blue screen of death.
But then again, they are on win10 so they can certainly call support.
DS. Do i need to say that i don't use Cubase.

[ReverendLove]

I don't get some people's logic... They always want to be able to run the latest version of everything, except their OS.

It's called cognitive dissonance.

[JJ_Jettflow]

I've downgraded my two win10 to win7. Too much waste of time tweeking win10 after updates.
Lack of support isn't a problem. If, and that's a BIG if, there's a non solvable problem i just reinstall using a backup image.
PS. I hope you are aware of the fact that all these security updates, the treath isn't as severe as they make them to be. At least for those of you that aren't computer illiterate.

You can disable updates on Win 10.

https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-reso ... pdate.html

Next excuse, please.

[GreyLion]

Steiny can do whatever they want to; it's their product. I do wonder whether the cost savings from supporting only one OS is sufficient to offset potential sales loss from the people still running Win7 -- which still has over 1/3 market share, apparently.

Maybe more relevant would be to know how many people who use their computers as music-making machines are still on Win7, but I can't conceptualize a way that anybody could get at those numbers. Maybe Steinberg was seeing enough of a drop in Win7 customers that it made sense to them to cease support?

https://netmarketshare.com/operating-sy ... 1000%22%7D

[chk071]

Such figures are utterly useless, when you consider the gigantic markets China and India, where there's loads of illegal Windows 7 copies (in Asia in general). Better look at Europe and the US. The figures will be very different. Windows 10 is by far the most used OS now.

[GreyLion]

Good thought, chk071! Looks like Win7 has about a quarter of market share in the US and Europe, with Win10 over 60%. In any case, still a sizeable presence, at least according to how GS gets their numbers, which is by page views.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-m ... of-america.

Like I said, though, I'm assuming that Steinberg figured it was less money/hassle to support only Win10. It's been a long slow slope, but we all gotta get a new computer eventually, and, unless you build your own, it'll be preloaded with Win10. I'll probably end up switching myself, for my next build in a year or so. Though I do still have a couple of unused Win7 licenses...

[chk071]

Secret tip: You can use those Windows 7 licenses to activate Windows 10. (If you did't know already) Still works, and probably will always work.

BTW, i'm sure Steinberg have their ways, just like every company, to precisely measure what OS's their customers are using. They can - count downloads, do survery, use data metrics, or check what their "pro" users use. I'm pretty sure they know exactly what they're doing. Like all the others.

[Freaqpeak]

Working with infrastructure as an IT guy since the 90s. Also in security. Planning for OS updates while keeping SLA/uptime is key. So many uneducated opinions here. I am personally still running Win7 on my DAW, but Win10 on every other client. Why? It fits the cycle of me getting a new computer for my main DAW this autumn. Its called planning. Of course a Win7 wont be supported by professional daws. Doesnt mean you cant run Cubase 10.5 on Win7, no pro would do that.

I will install a fresh Win10 this autumn. Why? MICROSOFT IS ENDING WIN7 SUPPORT and this was announced a long time ago. Win10 is now mature, actually haa been for several years. Also Win10 is better for daw usage now. 1903 update brings GOOD things to DAW users: take a look at the FLS count!
NEVER ever use old OS while connected to a network or even using USB drives. Even if your computer cant reach Internet directly, if you are on the same network as other computers that can.. false security.

There is a valid point not to always install the latest in production environment. In fact, professionals dont do that because it can affect business, take hours or days to fix. Install on test machines first, even small updates. That goes for DAW versions/Cubase as well if you have critical work to do. If you have business critical applications you dont mess with it. Period.

A serious studio/user follows MS or Apples road map. When should I upgrade hardware? Should/can I upgrade OS while getting a new computer? Is there a window in production where I can switch hardware and/or OS.
Etc.

Planning and precaution = no need for frustration.

Win7 will die in a few months and there is nothing to do about it. To anyone who expects a mainstream 3rd party company to support a dead OS... hm yeah. No.

Also, those running Win8.1: mainstream support ended last year, january 2018. Win7 mainstream support ended i 2015!
Also, Steinbergs decision doesnt come out of the blue if you have followed the steiny forum.

I just dont get why people get upset over this.. hobbyists or pros alike.