Reason 11 announced!!!

[tony10000]

Is it possible to get Reason plugin only on cheaper price?

$99 is pretty cheap (Reason Intro), especially with all of the instruments/effects that it comes with.

[enCiphered]

I really have to get this clear for me before I can decide if and when and where to it makes sense to upgrade:

- the players are not useable from Rack-device to other daw track cause there is no midi out as far as I have understood so far

Now:

- can they at least take midi-in for to drive poly-step sequencer for example and then just put that result (with instrument behind it of course) out as audio ?
- so do they at least work inside the rack ?

Yes to all. MIDI is sent through Players, just like in Reason and yes you can add a Player to any instrument in Reason Rack Plugin.

Make sure you sign up for the beta and you can start trying this all out (albeit in a not-yet-complete, logging version): https://www.propellerheads.com/en/reason/new

But what is new here exactly? Isn´t this already possible in Reason 10?! Without having to use the new rack in external DAWs?
Using Reason players with Reason instruments?!
It is not possible to use Reason players with ANY 3rd party vsti with the new rack plugin in my DAW?

[Fernando Carvalho]

Is it possible to get Reason plugin only on cheaper price?

No. But you could look at the daw part like an extra you may never use if you are interested just in the rack. I think the prices are more than fair for what you get.

[chk071]

The Reason 11 FAQ answers lots of questions asked here, by the way: https://www.propellerheads.com/en/reason/faq

[Rivanni]

Is it possible to get Reason plugin only on cheaper price?

$99 is pretty cheap (Reason Intro), especially with all of the instruments/effects that it comes with.

All instruments Intro comes with are not all instruments available. I like to see a VST Plugin-only price for all devices.

[antic604]

Does anyone who tried the beta of Reason 11 know if you can use Reasons arps/sequencers/cv to output midi via a midi channel to another VSTi aside from Reason's VSTi like say Padshop or Kontakt or u-He VSTi's, etc. or something? It would be very nice to control several different VSTi's from Reason's VST3 plugin using Kompulsion, etc.

No, that's not possible - but they'll consider this.

[gentleclockdivider]

I have seen audio rate modulation in reason using audio ins and outs instead of the CVs. For example the VK-2 viking synth uses this approach and it works pretty well.

But this is within single device (same for Complex-1). Cables are just visual representation there, but routing is in the code itself and doesn't use Reason Rack's in/out sockets.

mmm, now I´m not sure, it´s been a while since I opened Reason, and I can´t demo the synth anymore, but I think that VK-2 have a lot of audio ins and outs in the back and you could patch very similar to a real modular. Plus the drag and drop modulations in the front panel that as you say is just coded for itself. But I may be wrong.

Sure audio is always processed at sample rate .
The point of a full modular is that the only difference between an audio signal and a control signal is the bias offset , audio signals are ac (alternating current) and control signal are dc (direct current ) .
So essentially control signals (lfo's and envelopes ) are audio signals with no negative polarity , but these are still updated at light speed ( elektrons ) or at audio rate in software modulars like vcv rack , reaktor etc ..
In reason , the basic control signal on the back ( cv ) are updated at samplerate/64 ... reason for that is when reason 1 (no pun intended ) got introduced around 2000, it was more then engough to do basic modulation because of the processing overhead
It could well be that there are now rack extensions who have their own cv system which is updated at sample rate , but the basic cv rate is still samplerate/64

[gentleclockdivider]

Workflow and technical improvements

• Curved automation, simply drag the line between two automation points up or down to curve the line.
• Crossfades, overlap two audio clips and either choose Crossfade from the context menu or press the X key to crossfade. Drag the crossfade to adjust.
• Improved zoom, you can now drag the sequencer track dividers to adjust the vertical size of the track. Tracks can have individual sizes and the Zoom to Selection function can now zoom both horizontally and vertically.
• Mute MIDI notes, use the Mute Tool or press M to mute selected MIDI notes.
• New Pencil Tool mode, use the new multi-note Pencil to quickly draw a series of notes at the same resolution as your snap value. You can quickly toggle between the two modes by pressing Ctrl (Win) or Option (Mac) when using the Pencil tool.
• Absolute Snap, a new setting in the inspector that always snaps what you're moving to the grid.
• Key visualization, in Edit Mode you will now see both played and selected MIDI notes in the piano roll to easier see what's going on.
• Octave shortcut, using cmd+shift+up/down (Mac) or ctrl+shift+up/down (Win) to quickly move selected MIDI notes up or down in octave increments.
• Draw automation point at same level, hold Shift while drawing a new automation point to place it on the existing automation line
• Bug fixes (to be detailed)

Looks like Reason 11 is really going to give Acid Pro a run for their money.

And I don't see any resemblance between acid and reason

[antic604]

I hate to point out the bloody obvious about the vector GUI (or other high resolution option) but, because the graphics are bitmaps, it's not just Propellerhead that have to update their interface but every single RE developer as well. I suspect that's a big part of the problem. REs are now a huge part of their ecosystem and any that didn't get updated with the new graphics/SDK/whatever would become deprecated.

Since the beginning of RE platform, every developer WAS REQUIRED to provide high-res assets AND 3D mesh for their device. It's all there already. It's just Props who were slacking with their own devices and Reason's code

The RE platform was actually really forward-looking and I've feeling that's one of the reasons Verdane invested in the company

[EnochLight]

My only questions on the Reason Rack VST:
1. Is it going to be multi-output?
2. Will the copy protection be the same as it is currently for Reason? So we can only use it on computer?

As for 2., the copy protection has nothing to do with using it on a computer. But assuming this works just like it does in Reason DAW proper, the copy protection does allow you to install and use it on as many computers as you want, just so long as you're only running 1 instance of Reason at a time.

[Benutzername]

It seems like Reason Studios ("Rests") will try to enter the Komplete market with a shell of REs and a matching market place. The low priority for new features for the core application suggests that they want to let the stand alone fade out over time. So be it.

I don't know if this will work to attract new customers on the long term. The Suite price is almost the same as Komplete 12 but I don't think that the content of the Suite package can live up to the competition. Don't get me wrong. There are some really nice instruments, players and effects in the Suite bundle but there are also a huge amount of very old and outdated devices in the rack. To make it worse: The contents of the regular Reason version will only have the old stock devices so the quality will be at best on the same level as the bundled content of most DAW packages today (IMHO). A new user would need a lot of additional REs to really step up from there so I don't think that anyone would buy this version just to use it as a plugin.

The update is great for people that have shelved their old Reason license in favor of a more modern DAW. Now they can have both at the same: Reason as sound play ground and DAW xyz for sequencing. This is a great combination if you already have Reason and maybe a few REs. If you don't have any REs then the Suite upgrade may be a good offer but this is still a lot of money for many people.

For a Reason only user I really see no reason to upgrade. Two modulation effects and a few "I think we have to provide at least something" workflow features are not enough, especially for this amount of money. I think that they'll have to add more meat to this deal, maybe a free Recycle license, the new synth or something like that. At least they would have to make a lot of promises for the upcoming point updates.

[EnochLight]

The low priority for new features for the core application suggests that they want to let the stand alone fade out over time. So be it.

This is a false equivalency, as there is zero evidence to support that.

[machinesworking]

It's probably incredibly simple to fix: but dealing with having to provide support for every possible combination of third party VST and Third Party VST host (with reason rack as the meat in the sandwich) is not simple at all.

Not commenting on the simpleness or complexity of Reason being able to host VSTs as a VSTi, but the truth is there are plenty of DAWs that can host VSTs as a VSTi. It's a reasonable thing for people to expect a company as solid as Propellerheads to be able to accomplish.

I'm annoyed by Propellerheads dropping rewire, I've often hoped for a more robust version of rewire. For one most DAWs can't allocate more that one CPU core per track, and rewire seemed to side step this track limit by running outside of the host DAW. It doesn't seem to me that DAWs or complex sequencers like MPC Live and Maschine are as CPU friendly as rewire. Plus Ableton Live just stepped up their rewire game, allowing Live to used Push 2 while a rewire slave etc.

[kae]

For a Reason only user I really see no reason to upgrade. Two modulation effects and a few "I think we have to provide at least something" workflow features are not enough, especially for this amount of money. I think that they'll have to add more meat to this deal, maybe a free Recycle license, the new synth or something like that. At least they would have to make a lot of promises for the upcoming point updates.

Agreed. If I was a Reason only user I'd be disappointed, again. And wouldn't update. I don't understand why they focus on new devices instead of adding features to Reason itself. I think the modulation effects are more "I think we have to provide something", than the workflow updates. There's so many plugins out there, both in RE and VST format, that I don't get it.

But.. for users of other DAWs I think the update is really great. I will buy the update as soon as the AAX is out .

[stearine]

And I don't see any resemblance between acid and reason

Me neither (not much anyway), aside from the primitiveness of that feature list, which I was just casually making fun of. Judging from that list alone, I'd probably be in a mental institution if I had been using Reason for what I do.

Then again, the word is that Propellerhead started caring about MIDI editing relatively late in the game, which probably says something about Reason users - whereas Acid had simply been abandoned by Sony for many years, which probably only says something about Sony's priorities.

Honestly, I still don't really know what the average Reason user is like, i.e. who is it made for. Last I tried that software was in ca. 2003, and I found nothing to like about it - granted that it was in part due to my own ineptitude, but the inconvenient pixel rack of skeuomorphic modules and the extremely off-putting manual "wiring" between them seemed to be the thing. That's how far I could see back then, and that vision hasn't changed much.

If anyone could explain however briefly why they like working in Reason or what it truly excels at, I'd appreciate it. My amusement about the "feature" update list is genuine. That is some very basic functionality, and this is not 2003! What does Propellerhead do so well, that they have survived to this day?