Native Instruments Layoffs?

[yehboy1]

What if most of those positions were administrative/office/QA?

Nice what if but it's just that, a what if. The reality is something else.

Everything what we have here is "what if" and speculations. Whatever is the the "reality" nobody knows here.

Weeeellll....

Ok you may be the exception here but you didn't wrote official statement and I'm pretty sure that you don't want to play open cards sharing everything you know about NI and their employees
Ps. It would kill all fun here if you would do this These days speculations are the new 'facts' so let's keep it this way

Right! But, it's not "all" speculation. We have outward evidence of mismanagement at a high level and we have testimonials of laid off employees. Sure, that's SLOP data, but it's not the same thing as pure speculation. It can't all be dismissed by a wave of the hand and a claim of "you're aren't there so you don't know." The fact is, we can make reasonable inferences that will be more right than wrong. Here, I'll demonstrate.

The weather in CA tomorrow and throughout the rest of the week will be sunny and warm with a cumulative snowfall for the week of zero inches.

NI is a privately held company, I'm not sure what "facts" people expect? I'm also not sure why people think that "we" shouldn't extrapolate available data and make some effort to predict what's happening? Such extrapolation can have value to us as consumers that is independent of "facts." Extrapolating expectations about Kore probably helped some people avoid investing in a sinking ship. We should continue to do that and if NI doesn't like those sorts of public discussions then it's completely in their purview to be more transparent about their actions.

I expect companies to want to protect their interests and, having some experience with evaluating SLOP data, I expect that there is actually more truth than people want to admit in the Glassdoor summaries. Certainly I believe those statements more than I believe the NI responses. So yes, I think that NI is poorly managed, has no vision in their roadmap, and allows marketing to run amok, among other things. Is that speculation? Yes, it most certainly is, but it's not completely blind, that's speculation based on reading a large number of reviews on Glassdoor, reading the NI responses, and the outward evidence of their products and services over a decade.

The point here is that if you don't like these kinds of conversations, then you're probably just going to be disappointed. Get over it, you aren't going to stop them by asserting that speculation=fact. Speculation isn't just wild ass guessing, it's what happens when people put some effort into understanding the available data and predicting some eventual outcome. These predictions not always going to be right, and they're not all of equal value, however, they are not useless either. That they may prove to be wrong is immaterial, what has value to "us" is that we try to make the best sense of what's going on to make good decisions for ourselves.

ok

[ghettosynth]

LOL!

[vurt]

Nice what if but it's just that, a what if. The reality is something else.

Everything what we have here is "what if" and speculations. Whatever is the the "reality" nobody knows here.

Weeeellll....

Ok you may be the exception here but you didn't wrote official statement and I'm pretty sure that you don't want to play open cards sharing everything you know about NI and their employees
Ps. It would kill all fun here if you would do this These days speculations are the new 'facts' so let's keep it this way

Right! But, it's not "all" speculation. We have outward evidence of mismanagement at a high level and we have testimonials of laid off employees. Sure, that's SLOP data, but it's not the same thing as pure speculation. It can't all be dismissed by a wave of the hand and a claim of "you're aren't there so you don't know." The fact is, we can make reasonable inferences that will be more right than wrong. Here, I'll demonstrate.

The weather in CA tomorrow and throughout the rest of the week will be sunny and warm with a cumulative snowfall for the week of zero inches.

NI is a privately held company, I'm not sure what "facts" people expect? I'm also not sure why people think that "we" shouldn't extrapolate available data and make some effort to predict what's happening? Such extrapolation can have value to us as consumers that is independent of "facts." Extrapolating expectations about Kore probably helped some people avoid investing in a sinking ship. We should continue to do that and if NI doesn't like those sorts of public discussions then it's completely in their purview to be more transparent about their actions.

I expect companies to want to protect their interests and, having some experience with evaluating SLOP data, I expect that there is actually more truth than people want to admit in the Glassdoor summaries. Certainly I believe those statements more than I believe the NI responses. So yes, I think that NI is poorly managed, has no vision in their roadmap, and allows marketing to run amok, among other things. Is that speculation? Yes, it most certainly is, but it's not completely blind, that's speculation based on reading a large number of reviews on Glassdoor, reading the NI responses, and the outward evidence of their products and services over a decade.

The point here is that if you don't like these kinds of conversations, then you're probably just going to be disappointed. Get over it, you aren't going to stop them by asserting that speculation=fact. Speculation isn't just wild ass guessing, it's what happens when people put some effort into understanding the available data and predicting some eventual outcome. These predictions not always going to be right, and they're not all of equal value, however, they are not useless either. That they may prove to be wrong is immaterial, what has value to "us" is that we try to make the best sense of what's going on to make good decisions for ourselves.

ok

+1.

[chk071]

Okey dokey.

[reggie1979]

This thread is brought to you by OK, there is no need to be great when OK will due.

[ghettosynth]

Anyway, for those interested in thinking about what this kind of thing might mean, the reddit threads are far more interesting than KVR.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DJs/comments/c ... struments/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NativeInstrume ... nts_xpost/

[dumbledog]

The weather in CA tomorrow and throughout the rest of the week will be sunny and warm with a cumulative snowfall for the week of zero inches.

I seem to recall you live in Sacramento so don't forget to add in a 20% chance of wildfire ash.

[vurt]

Oakey and donkey.

now theres a duo id pay to see

[pixel85]

What if most of those positions were administrative/office/QA?

Nice what if but it's just that, a what if. The reality is something else.

Everything what we have here is "what if" and speculations. Whatever is the the "reality" nobody knows here.

Weeeellll....

Ok you may be the exception here but you didn't wrote official statement and I'm pretty sure that you don't want to play open cards sharing everything you know about NI and their employees
Ps. It would kill all fun here if you would do this These days speculations are the new 'facts' so let's keep it this way

Right! But, it's not "all" speculation. We have outward evidence of mismanagement at a high level and we have testimonials of laid off employees. Sure, that's SLOP data, but it's not the same thing as pure speculation. It can't all be dismissed by a wave of the hand and a claim of "you're aren't there so you don't know." The fact is, we can make reasonable inferences that will be more right than wrong. Here, I'll demonstrate.

The weather in CA tomorrow and throughout the rest of the week will be sunny and warm with a cumulative snowfall for the week of zero inches.

NI is a privately held company, I'm not sure what "facts" people expect? I'm also not sure why people think that "we" shouldn't extrapolate available data and make some effort to predict what's happening? Such extrapolation can have value to us as consumers that is independent of "facts." Extrapolating expectations about Kore probably helped some people avoid investing in a sinking ship. We should continue to do that and if NI doesn't like those sorts of public discussions then it's completely in their purview to be more transparent about their actions.

I expect companies to want to protect their interests and, having some experience with evaluating SLOP data, I expect that there is actually more truth than people want to admit in the Glassdoor summaries. Certainly I believe those statements more than I believe the NI responses. So yes, I think that NI is poorly managed, has no vision in their roadmap, and allows marketing to run amok, among other things. Is that speculation? Yes, it most certainly is, but it's not completely blind, that's speculation based on reading a large number of reviews on Glassdoor, reading the NI responses, and the outward evidence of their products and services over a decade.

The point here is that if you don't like these kinds of conversations, then you're probably just going to be disappointed. Get over it, you aren't going to stop them by asserting that speculation=fact. Speculation isn't just wild ass guessing, it's what happens when people put some effort into understanding the available data and predicting some eventual outcome. These predictions not always going to be right, and they're not all of equal value, however, they are not useless either. That they may prove to be wrong is immaterial, what has value to "us" is that we try to make the best sense of what's going on to make good decisions for ourselves.

Nah I'm not gonna be disappointed. I'm here for entertainment. Whatever will happen to NI will not change my life. Eventually I will adopt (I'll get other software). I'm not gonna waste my time to analyse, predict, read long Reddit posts and calculate what may or not happen to company which I'm not related to beside that I bought their software. Even if tomorrow NI will declare the end of company I'll be still OK
Why would I take so serious topic that will not affect my life in any meaningful way?

[ghettosynth]

The weather in CA tomorrow and throughout the rest of the week will be sunny and warm with a cumulative snowfall for the week of zero inches.

I seem to recall you live in Sacramento so don't forget to add in a 20% chance of wildfire ash.

Yeah, now that is something that I don't want to predict.

[vurt]

Nice what if but it's just that, a what if. The reality is something else.

Everything what we have here is "what if" and speculations. Whatever is the the "reality" nobody knows here.

Weeeellll....

Ok you may be the exception here but you didn't wrote official statement and I'm pretty sure that you don't want to play open cards sharing everything you know about NI and their employees
Ps. It would kill all fun here if you would do this These days speculations are the new 'facts' so let's keep it this way

Right! But, it's not "all" speculation. We have outward evidence of mismanagement at a high level and we have testimonials of laid off employees. Sure, that's SLOP data, but it's not the same thing as pure speculation. It can't all be dismissed by a wave of the hand and a claim of "you're aren't there so you don't know." The fact is, we can make reasonable inferences that will be more right than wrong. Here, I'll demonstrate.

The weather in CA tomorrow and throughout the rest of the week will be sunny and warm with a cumulative snowfall for the week of zero inches.

NI is a privately held company, I'm not sure what "facts" people expect? I'm also not sure why people think that "we" shouldn't extrapolate available data and make some effort to predict what's happening? Such extrapolation can have value to us as consumers that is independent of "facts." Extrapolating expectations about Kore probably helped some people avoid investing in a sinking ship. We should continue to do that and if NI doesn't like those sorts of public discussions then it's completely in their purview to be more transparent about their actions.

I expect companies to want to protect their interests and, having some experience with evaluating SLOP data, I expect that there is actually more truth than people want to admit in the Glassdoor summaries. Certainly I believe those statements more than I believe the NI responses. So yes, I think that NI is poorly managed, has no vision in their roadmap, and allows marketing to run amok, among other things. Is that speculation? Yes, it most certainly is, but it's not completely blind, that's speculation based on reading a large number of reviews on Glassdoor, reading the NI responses, and the outward evidence of their products and services over a decade.

The point here is that if you don't like these kinds of conversations, then you're probably just going to be disappointed. Get over it, you aren't going to stop them by asserting that speculation=fact. Speculation isn't just wild ass guessing, it's what happens when people put some effort into understanding the available data and predicting some eventual outcome. These predictions not always going to be right, and they're not all of equal value, however, they are not useless either. That they may prove to be wrong is immaterial, what has value to "us" is that we try to make the best sense of what's going on to make good decisions for ourselves.

Nah I'm not gonna be disappointed. I'm here for entertainment. Whatever will happen to NI will not change my life. Eventually I will adopt (I'll get other software). I'm not gonna waste my time to analyse, predict, read long Reddit posts and calculate what may or not happen to company which I'm not related to beside that I bought their software. Even if tomorrow NI will declare the end of company I'll be still OK
Why would I take so serious topic that will not affect my life in any meaningful way?

this guy, he gets it

[ghettosynth]

Oakey and donkey.

now theres a duo id pay to see

IIRC, there's a weekly show in TJ, Oakey's put on a few pounds, the years have not been too kind, but the show still pulls in the crowds. You're welcome.

[vurt]

Oakey and donkey.

now theres a duo id pay to see

IIRC, there's a weekly show in TJ, Oakey's put on a few pounds, the years have not been too kind, but the show still pulls in the crowds. You're welcome.

wasnt having a go at phil.
just know how donks feels about the sinths.

[ghettosynth]

Why would I take so serious topic that will not affect my life in any meaningful way?

this guy, he gets it

If you care enough to point out that others are speculating then you care. If you're only here for the entertainment, then fine, but then you should just ignore the speculation of others. If NI sold to InMusic, that might affect me "in a meaningful way" and I want to think about what might happen and try to determine if I need to start planing for that eventuality. Replacing Reaktor in my music workflow would be "meaningful" in every sense of the word.

As I said, you're going to be disappointed if you think that you're going to stop the speculation. If you're not interested in that, then move on. I think that there's some dishonesty there, I think that people do care and are using "that's speculation" to dismiss something that they don't agree with. That's what I'm addressing. If that's not you, then I'm not talking to you. If that is you, man up and put your balls on the table and give us your own analysis of the data. You're not going to stop other people from reasonably interpreting the data that is there by pretending that no data exists.

[Forgotten]

Oakey and donkey.

now theres a duo id pay to see

I'd love to hear a reworking of some Human League classics with Bass VI (in fiesta red)

Don't you want me baby, don't you want me oh, oh-oh c**t.