Native Instruments Layoffs?

[pdxindy]

Am I the only One who doesn’t hate subscription that much as long as it’s done reasonably?

yes...

Subscription doesn't work for me... I am not doing paid work and music is a hobby. I'll soon be going traveling for a few months. During that time, a subscription would mean I was still paying during a period I am not even using the software.

And in the case of NI, I don't even have most of Komplete installed. I upgrade on sale every 2-3 years. I have control of when I pay money. Right now, the burden is on NI to offer me something I want. Subscription puts the burden on me cause I have to pay every month regardless of whether they offer me something I want. NI is relieved of the necessity of satisfying my interests.

As it is, the user can control their use to cost ratio. I don't use Komplete all that much, so the infrequent upgrade on sale satisfactorily matches how much use I make of it. Subscription takes that choice out of my hands.

[chk071]

and not even the product ones is paid will be our possession anymore.

Ok! Whose turn is it to explain to JunSev that he doesn't own/possess the software he pays for?

Noone's. Just give up on it.

I'm trying but he just wouldn't let it lie.

He has to. You know it.

[vurt]

Am I the only One who doesn’t hate subscription that much as long as it’s done reasonably?

yes...

Subscription doesn't work for me... I am not doing paid work and music is a hobby. I'll soon be going traveling for a few months. During that time, a subscription would mean I was still paying during a period I am not even using the software.

what if the sub was able to be cancelled on such occasions? and worked out cheaper than a yearly upgrade?

for me it's a case by case thing, and if i choose not to go with something, that does not give me the right to call people who do go for it "blind" or accuse them of "not using their brain right" or being "shills".

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I'm starting to think that maybe some of you are relatives to some of those companies or developers that supports subscriptions

No! You were starting to think that last time. Remember? And despite having had the bullshit notion refuted, you are back with the same nonsense

With all respect.

No, it has been not refuted, is still strong and solid with real proves, are you manipulating facts like chk071 in order to support a point at any cost?

This demonstrate that you don't believe in honesty and what is right, better improve yourself and leave TV for some time watching south park...

With all respect.

I know from my own experience how difficult it is to communicate in a second language, so maybe it's a good idea to cut you some slack: You probably don't sound as dumb in your own language

With a level of respect previously unheard of.

[Loudness_Contour]

Am I the only One who doesn’t hate subscription that much as long as it’s done reasonably?

Can you explain exactly what you like about subscription models? In my opinion, subscriptions are OK for media-based services (like Netflix), but totally unacceptable for software. With software, the customer is always going to lost in the long run.

[PieBerger]

Am I the only One who doesn’t hate subscription that much as long as it’s done reasonably?

Can you explain exactly what you like about subscription models? In my opinion, subscriptions are OK for media-based services (like Netflix), but totally unacceptable for software. With software, the customer is always going to lost in the long run.

I like the kiloHearts subscription model. For every $120 you put it, you get $100 back in the form of a voucher. The vouchers are not time limited and can be stacked, so after 5 years and $600 spent, you'd be able to buy a perpertual license for the bundle and keep it forever. It's their version of a rent to own scheme, which allows them to keep adding more products to the bundle without having to implement and manage a complicated system of what you get to keep after your term is up. This is a great model imo and a big factor in me deciding to sign up to it. If more companies adopted a similar reward scheme, I'm be more inclined to sign up with them too.

[vurt]

Am I the only One who doesn’t hate subscription that much as long as it’s done reasonably?

Can you explain exactly what you like about subscription models? In my opinion, subscriptions are OK for media-based services (like Netflix), but totally unacceptable for software. With software, the customer is always going to lost in the long run.

a simple example might be, for those of us who own a recent version of komplete, probably not a great deal (depending on price and such) but for someone who owns no ni products, to get access to the whole catalogue without having to wait till you have the full price in your savings.

different users will have different needs/expectations. neither is wrong

[JunSev]

Subscriptions = Dependency = No Product.

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[vurt]

Subscriptions = Dependency = No Product.

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did you fail maths?

with 19% respect.

[Vortifex]

Software subscriptions can go to hell. I only pay my WoW subscription because I'm a helpless addict, don't judge me. Rent to own is a good idea though.

[pixel85]

About owning, renting, subs... I know you're trying to make it more complicated than it really is but it's very simple:
- I buy plugin (or other software) and I acquire (most likely) lifetime long license to use it. Owned or not I can buy plugin now and still use it by the next 60 years on my WinME and 60 years old PC under the respiratory system and crt 14" monitor. Yes? No?

You can say that it's not proper ownership and it's just the acquirement of a license but it doesn't change the fact that in situation like the one above buying is better option than paying serfdom.
I guess that people with G.A.S. may have problem to understand that someone may want to use plugin longer than to the next promotional offer or new release but some really do that

[PieBerger]

Am I the only One who doesn’t hate subscription that much as long as it’s done reasonably?

Can you explain exactly what you like about subscription models? In my opinion, subscriptions are OK for media-based services (like Netflix), but totally unacceptable for software. With software, the customer is always going to lost in the long run.

a simple example might be, for those of us who own a recent version of komplete, probably not a great deal (depending on price and such) but for someone who owns no ni products, to get access to the whole catalogue without having to wait till you have the full price in your savings.

different users will have different needs/expectations. neither is wrong

Pretty much this. High cost of software is a barrier to entry for people getting into music production and sub plans offer a relatively low cost, low risk and high reward solution. Most plans offer a flexible tier where you can pause and or cancel at anytime, with no penalty, which is great if you're not really sure what software you want/like to use and the typical 14-30 day trial period given for most software isn't enough time for you to decide to spend hundreds or maybe even thousands of pounds on perpertual licenses.

I tried the Slate Everything bundle for one year an for the cost of a single perpertual license, I got an iLok and the oppurtunity to sample dozens of plugins over a nice long period. I decided not to continue with the sub, because I preferred the other plugins I already had and the security of haing perpetual licenses, but that's just me.

There is no one-size fits all solution and while there are still plenty of choice to sub or buy, I don't see the problem of both systems coexisting.

[v1o]

Subscriptions = Dependency = No Product.

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Dude, Adobe has done quite well financially with their subscription system. It's also sped up product development because subscription plans don't follow the regular product update cycle. And they have products which are not viable commercially as standalone products but do well as part of a subscription package.

I think is Komplete is going to subscriptions. And with that they might start giving love to products on life support such as Absynth.

[glokraw]

I would like to see analog version of Reaktor

eurorack

Wouldn't it be called euroracktor though?

Euraktion might still be available

[AnX]

i dont care what NI do, i don't own any of their products