Halion ,... flagship or ?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 728 posts since 14 Aug, 2001
Kontakt, and its format, certainly needs challenge, and other players should be welcomed
I Consider Halion, this flagship, from a big company, looks much more intuitative, as a real instrument rather than another unsexy player-most
Support and libs for the format, big userbase, and online community being alive and in flow, is certainly also important, to me at least,..
Just looked at the Halion-forum at Steinberg.net ,... looked to me more like a ghost-town
So is this realy the flagship ? did the community hide somewhere else ? where ?
I Consider Halion, this flagship, from a big company, looks much more intuitative, as a real instrument rather than another unsexy player-most
Support and libs for the format, big userbase, and online community being alive and in flow, is certainly also important, to me at least,..
Just looked at the Halion-forum at Steinberg.net ,... looked to me more like a ghost-town
So is this realy the flagship ? did the community hide somewhere else ? where ?
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- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
It is absolutely a flagship, at least in packed features. I bought it during a sale, don’t regret it, but there is a huge but. Its the opposite of being intuitive and inspiring. The documentation is done by a bunch of technocrats who never heard about didactics. I probably need a month of holidays to dive into it without distraction to learn it... (I still want to learn it though...)
Quite the opposite of Bitwigs Grid, which makes you just jump in and happily start to experiment. Number of sounds I made in the Grid: about 50, number of sounds I made in Halion: 0, I bought Halion a year before the Grid went beta...
I believe Halion is more powerful than Kontakt and Falcon together, but I can’t proof it yet... And still, I rather learn Halion than Kontakt which I own as well. If you ever want to give away or sell your sounds, Halion would be an ideal platform, as nobody would be forced to buy it. The sounds run in the free player version without any problems... Ideal to share it with the world. Could even be an alternative to Synthmaker and alike, though its not completely cross platform (Linux support missing)...
Quite the opposite of Bitwigs Grid, which makes you just jump in and happily start to experiment. Number of sounds I made in the Grid: about 50, number of sounds I made in Halion: 0, I bought Halion a year before the Grid went beta...
I believe Halion is more powerful than Kontakt and Falcon together, but I can’t proof it yet... And still, I rather learn Halion than Kontakt which I own as well. If you ever want to give away or sell your sounds, Halion would be an ideal platform, as nobody would be forced to buy it. The sounds run in the free player version without any problems... Ideal to share it with the world. Could even be an alternative to Synthmaker and alike, though its not completely cross platform (Linux support missing)...
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Flagship or not... take a look at all the Kontakt libraries, and take a look how many are available for Halion. Of course, Halion can do more than Kontakt, and, it's probably a great instrument, but... it seems to have way fewer users.
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- KVRist
- 277 posts since 23 Apr, 2009
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- KVRAF
- 2338 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
Invest in Steinberg? The worst support in history, where some people wait (including me) for weeks before getting an answer. I wouldn't think so. Of the ones you mentioned above only UVI seems quite healthy.
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 27 Nov, 2018
I picked up Halion 6 on the sale too. It has a bit of a learning curve, but I really like how so many things can be done (like building a UI) without scripting. And there is Lua based scripting, which has the potential to be much nicer then the arcane Kontakt scripting language. I am currently diving into Halion 6 and plan to spend a few weeks in 'deep dive' mode.
But I agree the documentation is not very good, especially when it comes to scripting! And I am having trouble finding good tutorials.
The other contender UVI shows a lot of promise as well, especially since Pro Tools has embraced it and bundles it with Pro Tools subscriptions. I have not tried it yet though.
But I agree the documentation is not very good, especially when it comes to scripting! And I am having trouble finding good tutorials.
The other contender UVI shows a lot of promise as well, especially since Pro Tools has embraced it and bundles it with Pro Tools subscriptions. I have not tried it yet though.
Last edited by DrEntropy on Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 3368 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
Kontakt itself is not exactly intuitive. In fact its a usability nightmare, most users use it as a glorified rompler to play commercial sample libraries. It's a lot easier to actualy sample with the sampler that comes with your DAW such as EXS, Simpler or NNXT.Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:19 pm It is absolutely a flagship, at least in packed features. I bought it during a sale, don’t regret it, but there is a huge but. Its the opposite of being intuitive and inspiring. The documentation is done by a bunch of technocrats who never heard about didactics. I probably need a month of holidays to dive into it without distraction to learn it... (I still want to learn it though...)
Quite the opposite of Bitwigs Grid, which makes you just jump in and happily start to experiment. Number of sounds I made in the Grid: about 50, number of sounds I made in Halion: 0, I bought Halion a year before the Grid went beta...
I believe Halion is more powerful than Kontakt and Falcon together, but I can’t proof it yet... And still, I rather learn Halion than Kontakt which I own as well. If you ever want to give away or sell your sounds, Halion would be an ideal platform, as nobody would be forced to buy it. The sounds run in the free player version without any problems... Ideal to share it with the world. Could even be an alternative to Synthmaker and alike, though its not completely cross platform (Linux support missing)...
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I know it’s just wishful thinking, but what the community needs is a free open source alternative to Kontakt which offers what something like VCV Rack brings to modular... a core application with wrappers for the main plugin formats, providing the basic sample management, a UI toolkit, Python scripting, and its own plugin architecture. Developers could create their sample library interfaces in that format, embed their own or third party plugins such as convolution reverbs, and package the whole thing up in a locked format for sale and distribution. Unlikely to ever happen, but that’s what would stand the best chance of breaking Kontakt’s hold on the market.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRian
- 1288 posts since 25 Jul, 2009
https://www.steinberg.net/en/promotion/ ... _sale.html
"....But hurry — it is only valid from August 15 to September 5, 2019. Save now up to 50%!..."
Ends tomorrow.
Halion is my all time favorite.
If I could have only one - it would be Halion without a doubt.
At 50% off, I consider it a no-brainer.
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 27 Nov, 2018
This would be great! Although not quite what you had in mind, Halion Sonic SE is free and it can load user libraries made with the (pay) Halion 6. So it is sort of like the synth is free but the dev tools are expensive.
There are also some projects out there you might want to look at, e.g. HISE.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
Yeah I’m familiar with HISE. I actually have a full Halion license too, although I’m not wild about the workflow. What I’m describing isn’t specifically for me, but what would be required to free all the third party sample library developers from their dependence on Kontakt. I had hopes that Halion or Falcon would be that, but they just haven’t seen the kind of third party adoption needed to compete with Kontakt.DrEntropy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:48 pmThis would be great! Although not quite what you had in mind, Halion Sonic SE is free and it can load user libraries made with the (pay) Halion 6. So it is sort of like the synth is free but the dev tools are expensive.
There are also some projects out there you might want to look at, e.g. HISE.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.