Native Instruments Layoffs?

[pixel85]

Not to look a gift bourse in the mouth, but given all the issues with X, more presets (that you can’t find) and a different coloured skin would have been a long way down my list. Some animation on the ‘pictures’ of envelopes is obviously welcome, but should have been there from day one.

I have to say also, that in my opinion the dark skin shows how cluttered and fugly this synth is, not a flattering look!

Anyone with basic knowledge of UI/UX design can see why the interface is so messed up.
Hell, even people who don't.
So many design choices led to wasted space in some areas, cluttered controls in other, the interface is a mess. Which is a shame, massive x has decent sonic capabilities but let's not forget that the interface is a tool to manage sound design, and if a tool is not comfortable to use it's not necessarily a good tool and getting the desired result is sometimes excruciating.
I'm not even mad, just extremely disappointed. It seems that Native Instruments is spiraling down towards incredible mediocrity, and forgot that they are missing a huge opportunity neglecting actual professionals instead of hobbyists.

So I'm glad that I don't have basic knowledge of UI/UX design... Instead of being mad or extremely disappointed I just use MX without any issue on a GUI side.

Also I wish that every synth would have Dexed GUI or even better just plain text with command lines. Because I enjoy watching people being mad, sad, disappointed and angry. I like when they suffer when GUI is not perfect.

[chk071]

Anyone with basic knowledge of UI/UX design can see why the interface is so messed up.
Hell, even people who don't.

Yet someone with more than a basic knowledge created the GUI.

I get it that it's pretty subjective, and, it's not my favorite GUI either, and, yes, i also miss parameter values. But, you can work with it. If you try. Some prefer to complain.

[tapekiller]

Awesome. Massive X is a top synth, just needs a bit of polish.

I don't get where all this negativity about Massive X come from.
(Oh, I know - from KVR).

Actually not just KVR. And there are plenty of reasons why people were pissed about MX, maybe you simply pretended to not see them.
If you can't see them by yourself, well, glad you could look past the many flaws MX was delivered with and still enjoy the synth.

I do understand some of the critique and I can agree the release feels somehow rushed but yes, it's a top synth. Actually for me personally it's too good to be true for 2019. I wasn't expecting someone would now release a synth with an awseome sound chararter similar to classy old VA hardware because people's tastes seem to have shifted to more clean and characterless sounding synths.

MX wasn't well received and people don't seem to consider that such sound and all the awesome features MX has got, including some very innovative ones, can excuse its numerous but minor flaws, I think it's even somehow sad. This actually makes me worry about the MX fate, especially in view of the recent news, looks like it's a prime candidate for being discontiuned in favour of Machine expansions, 8-knob romplers and such.

The problem is not the bugs and lackluster interface, the lack of manual and standalone version, it was the disrespect NI has shown to its own customers, especially those who considered "free massive x" a determining factor when they chose to purchase komplete, when they missed the february dealine, postponed to june (the last days of june, too) and still delivering a half baked product. But if it was bad, it's even worse for those who paid upfront.
In all fairness NI got much less than they actually deserved.
If, on top of that, you consider how their target audience has shifted, it's clear why professional sound designers, those who have always swore by NI products, now see their trust betrayed especially after the continuous support ever since the good old days when native instruments actually cared about releasing good versatile VST instruments that weren't wrapped in reaktor. Massive was a game changer, and FM8 is still used to this day.

If they are actually going to adopt the subscription model, shifting the target audience towards hobbyists and at the same time change business model to subscription won't turn out great for people who aren't financially committed to a business based on music production and consider music just as a hobby.

Best of luck, Native Instruments.

[tapekiller]

Also I wish that every synth would have Dexed GUI or even better just plain text with command lines. Because I enjoy watching people being mad, sad, disappointed and angry. I like when they suffer when GUI is not perfect.

Someone enjoying other people's disappointments definitely don't live a satisfying life, even though you actually might since you are able to settle for mediocrity. Best of luck in your sadistic life.

Anyone with basic knowledge of UI/UX design can see why the interface is so messed up.
Hell, even people who don't.

Yet someone with more than a basic knowledge created the GUI.

I get it that it's pretty subjective, and, it's not my favorite GUI either, and, yes, i also miss parameter values. But, you can work with it. If you try. Some prefer to complain.

It's not really complaining, it's just an opinion. If people live it as unilateral complains I feel sorry for them.
There are also some things that are not subjective, like how poorly the space was managed. There is a lot of room for improvement, and as long as people just give NI a pat on their back they won't have any reason to improve the product we actually paid for.

[recursive one]

it was the disrespect NI has shown to its own customers, especially those who considered "free massive x" a determining factor when they chose to purchase komplete, when they missed the february dealine, postponed to june (the last days of june, too) and still delivering a half baked product. But if it was bad, it's even worse for those who paid upfront.
In all fairness NI got much less than they actually deserved.

Sorry, I don't understand this part at all. I ugraded K10 to K12 as a sort of preordering MX and it was best 100 bucks spent in a long while - I got not only MX, which was well worth this price alone, but also Blocks, Form and some other stuff. It's really hard for me to understand how I am "disrespected" in any way.

Also Sami Rabia and some others have already released some stuff for MX, so no matter the flaws and "disrespect", pro sound designers somehow manage to work with MX.

[chk071]

It's not really complaining, it's just an opinion.

It's not really a opinion. You say that everyone who knows about UI/UX design should have the same opinion as you have. That's pretty pretentious and imperious.

A opinion would be: "I don't like the GUI." Opposed to "Everyone in their sane minds find the GUI is totally messed up. Hell, even those who don't find it messed up."

[pixel85]

tbh current development of MX seems to be very slow (based on lack of knowledge what 'Several bug fixes' really means). Still no word about separate panning for each oscillator which is very simple feature yet super powerful for multimedia sound designers. But yet again who knows what and how many bugs they squashed - it could consumed enourmous amount of time.
UI designer also rather didn't sweat a lot while adjusting HSL parameters over the past few weeks
I expect that MX development will be very very slow process before they make all owners happy.

[pixel85]

Also I wish that every synth would have Dexed GUI or even better just plain text with command lines. Because I enjoy watching people being mad, sad, disappointed and angry. I like when they suffer when GUI is not perfect.

Someone enjoying other people's disappointments definitely don't live a satisfying life, even though you actually might since you are able to settle for mediocrity. Best of luck in your sadistic life.

I'm pretty sure that people who can't catch obvious absurdity have even less satisfaction in life than I do Especially those who complain about all minor issues and act like their opinion always belong to majority

[pixel85]

Also Sami Rabia and some others have already released some stuff for MX, so no matter the flaws and "disrespect", pro sound designers somehow manage to work with MX.

Never heard about Sami Rabia before. His soundset for MX is very nice

[whyterabbyt]

it was the disrespect NI has shown to its own customers, especially those who considered "free massive x" a determining factor when they chose to purchase komplete, when they missed the february dealine, postponed to june (the last days of june, too) and still delivering a half baked product. But if it was bad, it's even worse for those who paid upfront.
In all fairness NI got much less than they actually deserved.

Sorry, I don't understand this part at all. I ugraded K10 to K12 as a sort of preordering MX and it was best 100 bucks spent in a long while - I got not only MX, which was well worth this price alone, but also Blocks, Form and some other stuff. It's really hard for me to understand how I am "disrespected" in any way.

likewise.

[DJ Warmonger]

the disrespect NI has shown to its own customers

those who have always swore by NI products, now see their trust betrayed

Please, stop that drama. This is just a plugin. There's no "betrayal" in engineering. No one has died. If you believed in something and was disappointed, it's just your own problem of failed expectations.

Just don't take technical issues personally, it is pointless.

[digitalboytn]

Please, stop that drama.

What channel are you on ?

This is KVR

[Sinisterbr]

I love the MX interface, I personally think it's gorgeous. Of course it's got its flaws, but I see no "wasted space" there. And if you want "cluttered", go look at Arcsyn.
As I said, the MX team seem very small, I'm glad it's at least alive.

[chk071]

Positivism buffer overflow, guys. You need to feel insulted. And disrespected. And betrayed. Otherwise, it's no true NI or MX thread.

[Elektronisch]

Please, stop that drama.

What channel are you on ?

This is KVR

This was suppose to be what KVR isnt, but now its "what kvr has become"

https://www.kvraudio.com/aboutkvr.php