KVR Audio

Ryan99 · Post by **Ryan99** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:08 pm

We are now talking about the extreme exceptions that no one can please...

Mikelo · Post by **Mikelo** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:43 pm

I think the lads should do what ever is needed to protect their software. If it's an elicenser, then so be it. Avenger is too good to let go.
If they do decide to go with the dongle route maybe a small percentage off the full price or even a slightly more frequent sale to ease the burden ( for some) to purchase the little blue stick, and for those, like myself who have already purchased it, maybe a little bit of cash off the expansions.

Ryan99 · Post by **Ryan99** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:20 pm

We're in 2019. If a copy protection that afford both dongle and online solution doesn't work for a minority, then they can probably sell it and look elsewhere.

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:34 pm

Well, I think this team generates a lot of extra work itself, since it still doesn't fully understand to integrate a proper copy protection strategy to its business plan and IMHO should read what Urs once wrote about it. But I am fine with codemeter, but also I am pretty sure it will be cracked then, sooner or later. What then?

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:46 pm

Hanz Meyzer wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:34 pm Well, I think this team generates a lot of extra work itself, since it still doesn't fully understand to integrate a proper copy protection strategy to its business plan and IMHO should read what Urs once wrote about it. But I am fine with codemeter, but also I am pretty sure it will be cracked then, sooner or later. What then?

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Ryan99 · Post by **Ryan99** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:55 pm

Reason with Codemeter has not been cracked for many years so far...

HSum · Post by **HSum** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:12 pm

Ryan99 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:55 pm Reason with Codemeter has not been cracked for many years so far...

Other products using codemeter have been cracked...

The Sarge! · Post by **The Sarge!** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:47 pm

@msvs
I totally agree with you, maybe it´s our age that we don´t understand all this things against online/USB etc. that were posted the last 40 (or more) pages

Ryan99 · Post by **Ryan99** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:50 pm

HSum wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:12 pm
Ryan99 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:55 pm Reason with Codemeter has not been cracked for many years so far...
Other products using codemeter have been cracked...

Yes, and NASA has been hacked too. There's no perfect solution.

HSum · Post by **HSum** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:52 pm

Ryan99 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:50 pm
HSum wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:12 pm
Ryan99 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:55 pm Reason with Codemeter has not been cracked for many years so far...
Other products using codemeter have been cracked...
Yes, and NASA has been hacked too. There's no perfect solution.

Just saying, "Reason has not been cracked" as 1 example is not like a pro argument if there are other examples that have been cracked

bM3w · Post by **bM3w** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:02 pm

Every decent, modern PC runs circles around the "for audio optimized Windows XP offline vintage PCs" some studios still have. I don't understand why in 2019 it's necessary to cripple your Windows installation to a degree, so that your latency goes from 2.8ms down to 2.5ms when playing 350 tracks in your DAW.

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:02 pm

The Sarge! wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:48 am
e@rs wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:07 am €25 + VAT... I'll NEVER EVER pay that. Looks like I'm stuck with 1.4.10.
calm down, other companies take up to $50 + VAT

I'm trying, but all I can think is about them other companies that charge $0 for transfers.

Joking aside, it' s not the actual transfer fee amount that pisses me, it's VS' attitude that stops me from throwing more money in their direction.

Ryan99 · Post by **Ryan99** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:36 pm

I'm seeing people that are trying to change things that won't change the decision being made by VPS. I love this thread, but tired of all the endless moans.

I will repeat again. If you're not happy where Avenger is heading, don't update or sell it and leave this thread alone.

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:43 pm

1.4.10 is a very complete synth, offering more options than most synths. Don't like the protection thing? Just keep using 1.4.10.
Let's also not forget that crackers started this ball rolling, not the Vengeance team.

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:44 pm

"You don't need a USB port ....." Is this an argument in your opinion?

not in my opinion, no. This argument came from KVR people...

I didn't know you knew games so well

I am a gamer since the 80s and play even today (if time allows). Why do you think I made the 8bit and 16bit XPs?

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