Native Instruments Layoffs?

[vurt]

before what?

vurtaggedon.

do not! go into the bathroom after me!

[glokraw]

All I ask is proof that there is anything about being a musician that would preclude a musician from managing a multi million dollar business.

Its not so much that a musician cannot run a business - its more the case that being a musician and running a business are not mutally compatable. Both require focus and dedication, and inevetably it will be a case of giving up one for the other.

The suited guys they have bought in are focused 100% on making money. Thats what they love doing, and they do it well.

again facts please, I'm sorry you cant just make such a blanketed statement without backing it up. Now the suggestion is we know where their focus lies and better still we know that musicians give up on their music due to their business...really, how utterly absurd is this argument gonna get..prove it

Here is one example where business and music co-existed,
neither being practiced with a slack hand:

http://underthinkers.paulallen.com/

[vurt]

are there any businessmen who are good at music?
like famous for business but rock a mean keytar at the weekend?
alan sugar on drums? trump on keys? branson on guitar and vics?

[Forgotten]

The argument about whether a musician can become a successful business person is mute in the context of a thread where two music centric individuals Stephan Schmitt and Volker Hinz began Native Instruments and built it into a huge musical goliath.

Not really. It would have been "moot" had someone not made the comment that all musicians are shit businessmen, but that comment was made and it prompted further discussion.

[v1o]

Nevermind I hadn't seen Glokraw already mentioned Paul Allen.

[glokraw]

Beck and Trent Reznor might be very intelligent people. But they might not have the necessary chops to manage large numbers of people.

Nobody manages large numbers of people. There are always
chains of command, vice presidents, superintendants,
project managers, department managers, team leaders,
foremen...the titles and chains vary among enterprises.
I doubt the bigwig at any huge company personally knows
twenty employees they can fully trust, and what their strengths are.
It's tough even for a business with 20 employees,
to keep out the bad apples.

[dellboy]

Not really. It would have been "moot" had someone not made the comment that all musicians are shit businessmen, but that comment was made and it prompted further discussion.

Did the author of that comment say "ALL" musicians.

Or just a generic "musicians" ?

If we add an "s" to the end of a noun does it turn it into "ALL" without exception ?

[v1o]

BTW...I think that the NI B4 II organ was a killer product...

The later sampled organ BS they released for Kontakt sounded dead in comparison...

I used it for years and it was the last x86 plugin I retired,but only when Blue 3 v2 was released...

Another questionable decision that was made by musicians and engineers.

[v1o]

Beck and Trent Reznor might be very intelligent people. But they might not have the necessary chops to manage large numbers of people.

Nobody manages large numbers of people. There are always
chains of command, vice presidents, superintendants,
project managers, department managers, team leaders,
foremen...the titles and chains vary among enterprises.
I doubt the bigwig at any huge company personally knows
twenty employees they can fully trust, and what their strengths are.
It's tough even for a business with 20 employees,
to keep out the bad apples.

Ideally that's the way it should be at most companies. But many a times I've come across that one CEO that likes to micro-manage his employees not always following the chain of command.

[vurt]

Beck and Trent Reznor might be very intelligent people. But they might not have the necessary chops to manage large numbers of people.

Nobody manages large numbers of people. There are always
chains of command, vice presidents, superintendants,
project managers, department managers, team leaders,
foremen...the titles and chains vary among enterprises.
I doubt the bigwig at any huge company personally knows
twenty employees they can fully trust, and what their strengths are.
It's tough even for a business with 20 employees,
to keep out the bad apples.

Ideally that's the way it should at most companies. But many a times I've come across that one CEO that likes to micro-manage his employees.

elon likes to keep his hands on projects
hes taking me to mars.

[v1o]

Beck and Trent Reznor might be very intelligent people. But they might not have the necessary chops to manage large numbers of people.

Nobody manages large numbers of people. There are always
chains of command, vice presidents, superintendants,
project managers, department managers, team leaders,
foremen...the titles and chains vary among enterprises.
I doubt the bigwig at any huge company personally knows
twenty employees they can fully trust, and what their strengths are.
It's tough even for a business with 20 employees,
to keep out the bad apples.

Ideally that's the way it should at most companies. But many a times I've come across that one CEO that likes to micro-manage his employees.

elon likes to keep his hands on projects
hes taking me to mars.

He also likes to accuse people of being pedos without a shred of evidence. He's a strange one.

[vurt]

flamethrowers plus mars! = can say what you want

[vurt]

also, car in space playing bowie
stylin!

[vurt]

or are you a flat earther and dont believe in space?

[glokraw]

Beck and Trent Reznor might be very intelligent people. But they might not have the necessary chops to manage large numbers of people.

Nobody manages large numbers of people. There are always
chains of command, vice presidents, superintendants,
project managers, department managers, team leaders,
foremen...the titles and chains vary among enterprises.
I doubt the bigwig at any huge company personally knows
twenty employees they can fully trust, and what their strengths are.
It's tough even for a business with 20 employees,
to keep out the bad apples.

Ideally that's the way it should be at most companies. But many a times I've come across that one CEO that likes to micro-manage his employees not always following the chain of command.

They may think they are managing, but it's delusional. A hundred employees
hanging around, is about four thousand man-hours to account for every week

Better to take up guitar or synth as a hobby