Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

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WatchTheGuitar
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125 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:36 am

After a year or two using multiple DAWs I'd like to standardise on one for music creation (I'm sticking with Reaper for mastering and mixing finalised stems).

I'd pick Ableton if it weren't for the lack of a MIDI event editor. Google suggests this is a long time gripe for a number of people, but is there anything I can add to Ableton (I have 10 Suite), either a VST or M4L or anything that doesn't involve shelling out to an external application to do the event editing? A tabular text based event editor like in Reaper, Cakewalk and the like.

jonljacobi
KVRian
1181 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:49 pm

Maxforlive.com I haven’t run across anything like that, but haven’t really looked.

WatchTheGuitar
KVRist
125 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:19 am

Just had a look through Maxforlive.com and can't find anything there. The only M4L MIDI related thing I've seen is the MIDI Monitor (in the M4L tools you get with Suite) and that's just a read only event list.
Programming's my day job and I'd rather not bring that into my hobby, but if I can't find anything ready rolled I may have to try and write something myself.

jonljacobi
KVRian
1181 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:09 pm

It is a weakness of Live, but kind of outside its original mission. I’d like to see lists of lots of things. Markers, time signs, etc.

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CrystalWizard
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889 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit Sol III

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:17 pm

Kind of surprising that it hasn’t been done with M4L.
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pottering
KVRian
751 posts since 14 Dec, 2014

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:46 pm

There is a limited one (only notes) in this pack, named simply "MIDI Note Editor":

https://www.maxforlive.com/library/devi ... -operators

I know apps like Touchable Pro can edit envelopes in the Clips (not Arrangement), so it is definitely possible to read the values from a Clip (to build a Event Viewer).

WatchTheGuitar
KVRist
125 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:22 pm

pottering wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:46 pm
There is a limited one (only notes) in this pack, named simply "MIDI Note Editor":

https://www.maxforlive.com/library/devi ... -operators

I know apps like Touchable Pro can edit envelopes in the Clips (not Arrangement), so it is definitely possible to read the values from a Clip (to build a Event Viewer).
Cheers, will give it a go.

jonljacobi
KVRian
1181 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:16 pm

Good hunting.

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sureno
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1006 posts since 4 May, 2008 from West London Depot

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:16 pm


WatchTheGuitar
KVRist
125 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Re: Extending Ableton Live's MIDI editing UI- Event viewer etc. ?

Post Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:14 pm

Although that looks useful it seems to primarily be a visual note/modulation editor not a text based event editor. Most people respond better to visual editors, but I don't.

As I said though, that does have some cool features like folding to a selected scale.

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