Reason 11 announced!!!

[EnochLight]

why did it take them so freaking long to do this

I imagine because it was a tough decision for Propellerhead founders & employees. They've been building a DAW (with mixed success, admittedly) and now they're sort of throiwng all that away becoming a plugin company... It's a smart business decision driven by Verdane no doubt, but probably hard to swallow by the core team, because it's a clear admission to failure.

It’s not an unrealistic assumption, though I suspect the term “failure” might be relative. I disagree that they’re throwing (Reason as a stand-alone DAW) away and only becoming a plug-in company. The numbers simply don’t add up. Their entire company is literally built and has been sustained by (Reason as a stand-alone DAW). I can guarantee you that they’re not about to abandon those customers who very much will only use Reason still.

That said, the 11.x and (presumably) 12 features will either prove me right or wrong.

[antic604]

I disagree that they’re throwing (Reason as a stand-alone DAW) away and only becoming a plug-in company. The numbers simply don’t add up. Their entire company is literally built and has been sustained by (Reason as a stand-alone DAW). I can guarantee you that they’re not about to abandon those customers who very much will only use Reason still.

Well, then pay attention to the order in which music tools are mentioned here. I'm not saying there will never be Reason 12 nor that they won't add stuff to it, but priorities are clear for me. Those things are never random...

https://www.reasonstudios.com/about

As developers of the Reason platform of instruments, plugins, music production software and mobile app, we’ve inspired millions of users all over the world to create.

And frankly, I don't mind - Propellerhead was (is?) making one of the most unique, simple but powerful devices on the market and the fact that they take the whole Rack with them to other DAWs gives me hope it will stay like that (most DAWs can't replicate the cable patching experience and possibilities). Until yesterday when starting a new project I was always considering which DAW to do it with. Now the pool shrunk by one DAW and the ones that are left got an incredible boost in terms of available tools. Both things are good for me, so I should be happy

[nix808]

I got studio too! 8D
just scrolling presets-
which is what my music has become
I wanted the VST compatibility, but studio has some num-nums

[citidela]

rack is working flawlessly with live 10 win 10 i7
so happy rn

[kiezum]

The reason plugin works smoothly in Nuendo. But I’m disappointed that live sampling isn’t available in the reason plugin.

[nix808]

oh? do u need an Extension for it particularly for now?- have a keen look at sampling Extensions

[EnochLight]

I disagree that they’re throwing (Reason as a stand-alone DAW) away and only becoming a plug-in company. The numbers simply don’t add up. Their entire company is literally built and has been sustained by (Reason as a stand-alone DAW). I can guarantee you that they’re not about to abandon those customers who very much will only use Reason still.

Well, then pay attention to the order in which music tools are mentioned here. I'm not saying there will never be Reason 12 nor that they won't add stuff to it, but priorities are clear for me. Those things are never random...

https://www.reasonstudios.com/about

As developers of the Reason platform of instruments, plugins, music production software and mobile app, we’ve inspired millions of users all over the world to create.

And frankly, I don't mind - Propellerhead was (is?) making one of the most unique, simple but powerful devices on the market and the fact that they take the whole Rack with them to other DAWs gives me hope it will stay like that (most DAWs can't replicate the cable patching experience and possibilities). Until yesterday when starting a new project I was always considering which DAW to do it with. Now the pool shrunk by one DAW and the ones that are left got an incredible boost in terms of available tools. Both things are good for me, so I should be happy

You're judging this simply on the order that they list their features on the "about" page?

Sure, OK.

Again, your assertion that they are throwing the standalone version under the bus and only becoming a "plugin company" doesn't add up (for reasons already mentioned in many other threads many times over). But as I said, the point updates that appear in 11.x and (presumably) whatever comes in 12 will prove one of us right.

[simmo75]

Is it worth paying the extra and going for 11 Suite?

[antic604]

You're judging this simply on the order that they list their features on the "about" page?

Sure, OK.

Working my whole life in corporations - and Reason Studios became one 3 years ago, if not by size then definitely by mindset - I've no doubt that such things are never, or at least very rarely, incidental. Every word and sentence is scrutinised.

Again, your assertion that they are throwing the standalone version under the bus and only becoming a "plugin company" doesn't add up (for reasons already mentioned in many other threads many times over). But as I said, the point updates that appear in 11.x and (presumably) whatever comes in 12 will prove one of us right.

Sure, we will definitely see! Having said that, I'll be happy either way - because I'll either get a better Reason DAW or more of great REs. Hopefully both

[antic604]

Is it worth paying the extra and going for 11 Suite?

From strictly numeric point of view - yes. You get 16 REs worth over 1k EUR for 120EUR.

But knowing nothing about you (e.g. are you a Reason user already?) & what you need, it's difficult to answer

For startes, check the sounds, videos, maybe even browse the manuals for those devices to see if they're of any interest to you:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... nstrument/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... nthesizer/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... on/parsec/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... tric-bass/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... drum-kits/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/prod ... pf-bundle/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... sequencer/
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... generator/

[EnochLight]

You're judging this simply on the order that they list their features on the "about" page?

Sure, OK.

Working my whole life in corporations - and Reason Studios became one 3 years ago, if not by size then definitely by mindset - I've no doubt that such things are never, or at least very rarely, incidental. Every word and sentence is scrutinised.

Reason Studios (Propellerhead) have been a corporation for over 20 years. But using your logic, the "about" page lists Reason Studios also as manufacturers of "music production software". Looks like they're still in the game.

Again, your assertion that they are throwing the standalone version under the bus and only becoming a "plugin company" doesn't add up (for reasons already mentioned in many other threads many times over). But as I said, the point updates that appear in 11.x and (presumably) whatever comes in 12 will prove one of us right.

Sure, we will definitely see! Having said that, I'll be happy either way - because I'll either get a better Reason DAW or more of great REs. Hopefully both

Honestly, I'll be fine with either!

[Kalamata Kid]

It seems that the RACK as a VSTi is not sold separately.
So the most economical way to get the RACK is to buy Reason INTRO.
Correct?

[EnochLight]

It seems that the RACK as a VSTi is not sold separately.
So the most economical way to get the RACK is to buy Reason INTRO.
Correct?

Correct, but INTRO does lack many core Reason devices/instruments/effects. It does work with any RE's you've purchased, though - so there's that.

[anttimaatteri]

It seems that the RACK as a VSTi is not sold separately.
So the most economical way to get the RACK is to buy Reason INTRO.
Correct?

saw it for 68euros a few days ago. intro even has 16tracks, other daws just have 8 in their starter packs. plenty of things to test it until the next sale to jump to standard, then to suite on another sale ^^. if you think its worth it. my guess is you will save around 100 bucks this way maybe a bit less. or go risky and buy from a seller on kvr ;D
i think its worth buying intro.

[stash98]

I disagree that they’re throwing (Reason as a stand-alone DAW) away and only becoming a plug-in company. The numbers simply don’t add up. Their entire company is literally built and has been sustained by (Reason as a stand-alone DAW). I can guarantee you that they’re not about to abandon those customers who very much will only use Reason still.

Well, then pay attention to the order in which music tools are mentioned here. I'm not saying there will never be Reason 12 nor that they won't add stuff to it, but priorities are clear for me. Those things are never random...

https://www.reasonstudios.com/about

As developers of the Reason platform of instruments, plugins, music production software and mobile app, we’ve inspired millions of users all over the world to create.

And frankly, I don't mind - Propellerhead was (is?) making one of the most unique, simple but powerful devices on the market and the fact that they take the whole Rack with them to other DAWs gives me hope it will stay like that (most DAWs can't replicate the cable patching experience and possibilities). Until yesterday when starting a new project I was always considering which DAW to do it with. Now the pool shrunk by one DAW and the ones that are left got an incredible boost in terms of available tools. Both things are good for me, so I should be happy

You're judging this simply on the order that they list their features on the "about" page?

Sure, OK.

Again, your assertion that they are throwing the standalone version under the bus and only becoming a "plugin company" doesn't add up (for reasons already mentioned in many other threads many times over). But as I said, the point updates that appear in 11.x and (presumably) whatever comes in 12 will prove one of us right.

Message boards are so insane. I started producing when ProTools was just catching on. If I had a DAW like Reason 11 back then I would never have left the studio. For people to act like this is not a DAW anymore just cracks me up.

It seems like people want to post more than they want to write songs. At the end of the day, this software is more than anybody could fathom having just 20 years ago and incredible music was made back then. I think there is something to be said for simplicity and not having every little need and nuance catered to.

Sure, I miss the fast mouse zoom in and out in editing in Studio One when I use Reason, but this software is for music creation. If someone is a hard core audio editor and thats how they make their music, there are better options. But I think this DAW has always been made for musicians who want to put down musical ideas with their hands and then turn knobs on different effects - not spend all day in the piano roll handwriting midi.

I also think Reason Studios will continue to support their DAW, but the reason 11 so far does not have a lot of DAW updates is because I believe they have put a lot of resources into their rumored hardware in addition to rolling out this VST rack. Honestly, these are pretty impressive moves that take a ton of man hours.