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But what about if you have large SSD drives and you want to transfer them over, not buy new drives ?
Hexspa wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:31 pm
mgw38 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:53 am
topaz wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:17 pm Question

What happens to the terabytes of data on journaled drives if I hypothetically switched to windows ?

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Paragon Software produces APSF and HFS+ drivers for Windows. Not sure how good these are but I am using their NTSF for Mac driver and that one works extremely well.
I connected my Mac Mini to my PC via a shared folder over Ethernet and copied - not moved! - the files from one to another. No problems except for Windows cancelling one transfer for some reason thus why I recommend copying and backing up before deleting anything.

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You could use, buy, or borrow a big HDD as an intermediary and use exFAT which both platforms can use to read and write. 4TB for under $100. If you have bigger SSDs than that then money is no problem and you could set up a NAS.

I was considering using both platforms due to nefarious emails, etc. and Windows' greater likelihood to get attacked. Since moving over, my iPhone does everything just like it always did but I use dropbox to send over Voice Memos and I don't use iTunes but I never really transferred volumes of music or anything to my phone so, for a single track or two, Dropbox still works. You can access your photos directly like any removable drive.

I still don't use email on windows, though, and a bunch of other things which may or may not be totally secure. Also, I'm very careful about installing trusted software, and generally follow best practices to keep my system light, clean and redundant.
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soundeziner wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:29 pm No one here has claimed to be better than anyone else except Vojtech.
What is your problem with this dude? You "forgot" he put an emoji behind the sentence. Are you really taken that so serious to mention it now?
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To be fair, Vojtech is better than a lot of people - at least at making plugins that don't suck.

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Walking away now.
mladi wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:43 pm
soundeziner wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:29 pm No one here has claimed to be better than anyone else except Vojtech.
What is your problem with this dude? You "forgot" he put an emoji behind the sentence. Are you really taken that so serious to mention it now?

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I hope the email was cc'd to Apple IMO developers should do exactly this if Apple (or ms!) is making them do mountains of work for FREE updates just to keep things working.

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AGIGA wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:43 pm That's not my opinion, that's what Vojtech wrote in his post. :dog:
It's like talking to NPC which returns same looping response, right? :hihi:

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Apple want control of the hardware and software on their computers, A complete ecosystem. I am pretty sure this is where they are heading, either all apple software will eventually come through an App Store or it will all need apples blessing. This will no doubt slow down and hinder developers, it may limit the amount of developers...it may also lead to faster more stable macs. Developers will-look at what % of sales are Mac OS and the. Decide if it’s worth the hassle, It will be interesting to see if any of the big names drop support..... I wonder if there is a tipping point
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It's like going back to before intel CPU era.

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SLiC wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:04 pm Apple want control of the hardware and software on their computers, A complete ecosystem. I am pretty sure this is where they are heading, either all apple software will eventually come through an App Store or it will all need apples blessing.
I can see that being their wish. Not sure how it will end up
SLiC wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:04 pmThis will no doubt slow down and hinder developers
I guess we could ask FabFilter, PSP, Toneboosters, Audio Damage etc, and all the other Win/Mac developers who seem to have no issue also developing for iOS. Despite the writing-on-the-wall clearly indicating that the MacOS/iOS cross-compatibility walled-garden, running on Apple's in-house chips, some developers are evidently seeing some benefit to jumping in.
SLiC wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:04 pmit may limit the amount of developers...
That, it may
SLiC wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:04 pmDevelopers will-look at what % of sales are Mac OS and the. Decide if it’s worth the hassle, It will be interesting to see if any of the big names drop support
If Melda can hold out till then, at least he'll get a legitimate 'out' to drop a platform and user-base for which he clearly has a level of resentment :shrug:

Personally, I get the feeling that most of the company's plugins I use would not be so willing to drop Mac support, but only time will tell.

More importantly, however, is that I bet that a similar scenario is at least being discussed in the depths of Microsoft HQ. Looking forward to those threads :hihi:

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soundeziner wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:29 pm Can we lay off the ad hominem attacks?
Nope, it's not ad hominem, it's the truth. I can detect smallest dose of but hurt from very large distance... Melda does not say anything in the direction what you claim he says, that is all made up.
Actually if you're wise enough you could turn the perspective for one second - he wrote the mail out of utter despair, because he does not want to disappoint his mac user community, but he sees it's getting harder and harder and it's no where under his control. He is just a victim as you are in this game played by a "plattform" company that want to monetarized on other peoples work. I don't want apple to get a single penny because Melda does great work. I want Melda gets the money for his great plugins. I don't want to pay money to apple neither direct nor indirect by them playing the arche-b people game, getting in between selller and buyer and just doing nothing but draining money out of it... I don't want him to spend many hours just in fullfilling apples needs to monetarize on other peoples work, but his customers needs to get great plugins. I don't want to read numerous "plugin xyz is not fully compatible with catalina" threads on kvr which will finally happen...Catalina the long gone tomcat servlet engine...funny btw.
Tipp for you: before making things up, please address the source of the problem. Apple! Probably in the same frenetic way as you do here.

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Yeah just nuke the thread. Platform wars are a time sink that you’ll regret when you’re on your deathbed.
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Funny how some butthurt fanboys can interpret the heck into a simple mail... TRRRRIIIIGGGGGGEEEEERED

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Just for fun! :hihi: This developer used Sonar pretty exclusively in his videos up until recently.
Sound Quest is frequently asked, which is better - Windows or Macintosh? This is our take on the two systems and why.

If you are interested in incorporating MIDI hardware editors into your DAW (Pro Tools, Cubase, Sonar, Performer, Logic) using VST, AAX, AU, or any another plug-in system, the clear winner is the Macintosh. Hands down. No question. Why? The MIDI management system developed by Apple called CoreMIDI is far superior in handling MIDI data and allows all applications equal and unlimited access to all MIDI ports.This functionality is built into the operating system and is an incredibly important feature if you wish to use AU or VST plug-in editors. The reason, both the DAW and the editor will function at their best when both have equal access to the MIDI interface. This is what the Macintosh does.

Windows on the other hand, leaves the MIDI capabilities to the MIDI interface manufacturers. As a result, there are many, many MIDI interfaces that only allow one application to access the driver at a time. This means that if the DAW has the MIDI interface open, a MIDI hardware editor can't open the MIDI port to communicate with the interface. To further confuse matters, some MIDI interface drivers will allow multiple applications to access the MIDI interface but they must be separate processes. While there is a workaround for these issues, it requires specific planning and you are forced to spend more time considering the setup and configuration of your system. While these limitations are not true of all MIDI interfaces, it is true for many of them.

Windows does have one advantage over the Mac. There is slightly more control over the output of SysEx data. If you have a specific group of very old instruments from Casio (CZ and VZ series), Ensoniq (ESQ-1, ESQm) or a few others which are not able to receive SysEx transmissions at full speed, it is possible to reduce the transmission rate for effective communications. This is not possible on the Macintosh. Even with this advantage, remember that with a Macintosh you can still install a virtual version of Windows (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on a Macintosh and use it to communicate with these problematic instruments.

This comparison between Windows and Macintosh is taken solely from the perspective of MIDI support.There are certainly other reasons to choose one system over the other.

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soundeziner wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:26 am
sirmonkey wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:02 am suppose you get paid a certain $$ amount to do a job. Then, complications
that you didn't cause make you do 10 extra hours of work. Should you always
do the extra work for free? And what if you had to work another 10 extra hours
over that, and then another 10....and so on- for an unpredictable amount of time?
When you sell a product promising "Free-for-life updates" then YES, you are offering to do the extra work without extra charge.
The company has maintained this policy for 10 years so far. But maybe at some point, unforeseen developments may make this close to impossible for Apple's platform.
I guess Melda should have used their magic ball to look 10 years into the future.
Man, how dare that they've spent the last decade living up to that very high standard!
So let's get mad at Melda because of a very difficult position they and other devs have
been put in by Apple.

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