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mixtur.se · Post by **mixtur.se** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:04 am

Dasheesh wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:29 pm i don't know if this will straiten things out for anyone, but this is my understanding. you enter into the wup when you by a plug-in. every plugin has its own wup. if you buy a bundle of course the whole bundle was purchased at the same time. if you buy them individually each plugin has its own wup. the wup lasts for one year from purchase is my understanding. you buy a new wup every year (it's a subscription). you don't HAVE to buy into the new wup. you can just not upgrade and everything continues on like normal. if you upgrade tho... you only get the plugs under the wup. everything NOT under wup will only work with the older version of wavescentral. so you need multiple versions of the whole shebang installed to keep them all. or, you can upgrade, and then buy wups for the stuff you want to keep individually at a later date. make sense?

yeah, not for me either.

The new waves central supports multiple versions, I just tested and had no issues so I guess they learnt from the last time

mixtur.se · Post by **mixtur.se** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:04 am

steve.lindqvist wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:06 pm A brief side question: Does the WUP always have to be bought for a whole bundle (e. g. Gold) or is it possible to update single plugins within a bundle?

So if I only need 2 plug-ins within a bundle, it would make more sense in terms of future upgrade prices to buy just the single plug-ins instead of the whole bundle with many plug-ins (which I don't use, but for which I have to pay for updates), right?

You must WUP the whole bundle

mixtur.se · Post by **mixtur.se** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:07 am

Niowiad wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 pm I paid $45 for WUP last year (capped to $240 at the current time) to bring all the plugins to V10, which I thought would last much longer as everyone was saying.
I don't know if V11 came so soon because of the Catalina mess or whatever, but as a Windows user without Renaissance plugins, this update doesn't come with much value.

I have several plugins in the Waves wishlist but if I buy anything more, that comes with V11 and would bring the multiple version headache.
I'll cling to V10 for as much as I possibly can, which literally means I can't buy further Waves plugins

At least I got Scheps73 (usual $29 deal) last week just before the doors closed.
That's one hell of a plugin

zvenx wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:30 pm Although, doesn't wup last for 3 years so anyone who updated for v10 should still have valid wup's and get v11 free, no?
It's actually 1 year, not 3.
I wish it was 3

It really works well to have both 10 and 11 with the new waves central. I expected a big mess but it worked flawlessly to my surprise.

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:52 am

I’m up for a major Mac refresh. My current ones date back to 2011-2012, so when I get some new Catalina Macs now, I’ll stay on Waves v11 for another five or more years. No more WUP for me.

dreamvoid · Post by **dreamvoid** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:15 am

mixtur.se wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:07 am
It really works well to have both 10 and 11 with the new waves central. I expected a big mess but it worked flawlessly to my surprise.

The same here on my main machine (MacPro with High Sierra): Waves V9, V10 and V11 all work fine so far. Upgrading was easy too.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:18 am

Niowiad wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 pm ..........

zvenx wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:30 pm Although, doesn't wup last for 3 years so anyone who updated for v10 should still have valid wup's and get v11 free, no?
It's actually 1 year, not 3.
I wish it was 3

My bad.
rsp

Niowiad · Post by **Niowiad** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:23 am

mixtur.se wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:07 am
Niowiad wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 pm I paid $45 for WUP last year (capped to $240 at the current time) to bring all the plugins to V10, which I thought would last much longer as everyone was saying.
I don't know if V11 came so soon because of the Catalina mess or whatever, but as a Windows user without Renaissance plugins, this update doesn't come with much value.

I have several plugins in the Waves wishlist but if I buy anything more, that comes with V11 and would bring the multiple version headache.
I'll cling to V10 for as much as I possibly can, which literally means I can't buy further Waves plugins

At least I got Scheps73 (usual $29 deal) last week just before the doors closed.
That's one hell of a plugin

zvenx wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:30 pm Although, doesn't wup last for 3 years so anyone who updated for v10 should still have valid wup's and get v11 free, no?
It's actually 1 year, not 3.
I wish it was 3
It really works well to have both 10 and 11 with the new waves central. I expected a big mess but it worked flawlessly to my surprise.

That's very good to know.
I admit I didn't give Waves the benefit of the doubt, assuming this would treat V10 the same way V9 was treated last year.

I just hope they'll keep it up in WavesCentral when V12 comes.
It's ok to not receive updates for older versions, but I don't understand why WaveCentral shouldn't at least be able to "see" those older versions in the account and connect to the servers to download the installers.

Well, at least things seem to have improved a bit over the last time.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:12 am

Limited my Waves purchases to cheap stuff. Last updates broke all for me so I just binned all Waves and moved on.

Doubly happy about the decision now.
I like Yoad from his Sonic state appearances, but Waves policies are no no for me.

steve.lindqvist · Post by **steve.lindqvist** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:26 am

mixtur.se wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:04 am
steve.lindqvist wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:06 pm A brief side question: Does the WUP always have to be bought for a whole bundle (e. g. Gold) or is it possible to update single plugins within a bundle?

So if I only need 2 plug-ins within a bundle, it would make more sense in terms of future upgrade prices to buy just the single plug-ins instead of the whole bundle with many plug-ins (which I don't use, but for which I have to pay for updates), right?
You must WUP the whole bundle

Thank you, sir for this information!

Reefius · Post by **Reefius** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:28 am

No issues here, only had a few plugins with active WUP and updated them to 11. New Waves Central indeed seems to support both v10 and v11.

Gregwaah · Post by **Gregwaah** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:31 am

Niowiad wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:47 pm On another note... the Release Note mentions "Improved: Smoother plugin controls movement with the mouse", I wonder if they're also referring to the Puigtec which I like as an EQ but has the worst response for the knobs with the mouse I've ever seen anywhere in the entire software realm.

I can definitely vouch for the issue with the Puigtec EQ's. Using the VST3 version eliminated the problem for me.

Harry_HH · Post by **Harry_HH** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:37 am

dreamvoid wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:15 am
mixtur.se wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:07 am
It really works well to have both 10 and 11 with the new waves central. I expected a big mess but it worked flawlessly to my surprise.
The same here on my main machine (MacPro with High Sierra): Waves V9, V10 and V11 all work fine so far. Upgrading was easy too.

Is this really the case, i.e. the V9 doesn’t require a separate offline file?

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:39 am

wait. after catching up with this thread you guys are telling me no i don't see v11 of the plugs because i don't actually have v11 of the plugs and now i have to go debug what went wrong.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:00 am

Dasheesh wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:39 am wait. after catching up with this thread you guys are telling me no i don't see v11 of the plugs because i don't actually have v11 of the plugs and now i have to go debug what went wrong.

If you have any current WUP plugins, then update to latest versions on the website first then it happens in Waves Central.

nichttuntun · Post by **nichttuntun** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:05 am

jens wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:39 pm Looks like they ran both out of cash and ideas at the same time...

In my opinion Waves are/ have

- old plugin algos
- no GUI resizability
- missing comfort options, for example different quality choices for running processes and rendering
- missing multi-core optimization
- over complicated installer process
- a terrible license management.
- completely outdated in most aspects comparing to the rest of the industry
- are resting on their decades old reputation
- are annoying
- are not further supported by me

Cheers

Waves announce V11...