Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

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Teksonik
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12757 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:29 am

Now imagine if Dune 3 got Zampler's .sfz oscillator as an option for each of its 8 Layers (with full support for the .sfz spec) to go along with the VA,WT, and FM Oscs.

There is already a nice selection of content even for the free Zampler.

https://sellfy.com/zamplersounds

Oh well probably won't ever happen but one can dream......
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PTV
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2106 posts since 5 Jan, 2006

Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:32 am

MutantHero wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:04 pm
I just found out Zampler doesn't read this code.
https://sfzformat.com/opcodes/pitch_keytrack
So how do you do drumsets?
Here is my SFZ. This is the sort of thing that really slows me down. Zampler killed me before. I am trying to be methodical but the lack of documentation may kill it for me.

Here is my SFZ and Zampler is playing the laser sound PITCHED! You can be a PERFECT coder and you're still f-ked with this thing.:
That's a Zampler issue (supports only minimal number of opcodes) and not the SFZ format.
What you can do is something like this: split any layer to multiple regions.

So instead of:
<region>
sample=Bass s_0002_Laser .wav
lokey=85 hikey=127
pitch_keytrack=0

Do many regions for the same sample, like this:
<region>
sample=Bass s_0002_Laser .wav
lokey=85 hikey=85 pitch_keycenter=85
<region>
sample=Bass s_0002_Laser .wav
lokey=86 hikey=86 pitch_keycenter=86
<region>
sample=Bass s_0002_Laser .wav
lokey=87 hikey=87 pitch_keycenter=87

etc...

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BlackWinny
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4101 posts since 17 Jun, 2013 from very close to Paris, France

Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:34 am

MutantHero wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:25 am
ImageZampler notes by John Thompson, on Flickr
Yes. It's good.

What I told was when you want to create your own packs with audio samples which are anywhere else in your synth.

And the picture you show confirms that the syntax of Zampler can't stand that situation.
:)

That's why I suggested to use not only ONE tool, but to have a panel of SEVERAL tools (Zampler being of course one of them).
:wink:
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MutantHero
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71 posts since 6 Sep, 2010

Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:37 am

Thank you for the tip PTV. I have decided to use RX2 import for drums. This has all been too much with too little information, but maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel here .....

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MutantHero
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Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:42 am

AnX wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:41 pm
MutantHero wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:04 pm
I just found out Zampler doesn't read this code.
https://sfzformat.com/opcodes/pitch_keytrack
So how do you do drumsets?
i use this

http://carrieres.free.fr/sfz.htm

basically, select all, create sfz type thing

assigns all samples to a single key
AnX thank you. It worked for me!

Elektronisch
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3563 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:59 am

Teksonik wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:29 am
Now imagine if Dune 3 got Zampler's .sfz oscillator as an option for each of its 8 Layers (with full support for the .sfz spec) to go along with the VA,WT, and FM Oscs.

There is already a nice selection of content even for the free Zampler.

https://sellfy.com/zamplersounds

Oh well probably won't ever happen but one can dream......
That would be one hell of a killer synth

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MutantHero
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Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:41 am

BlackWinny thank you for the suggestions.

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MutantHero
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Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:08 pm

I have been generating SFZs with HighLife most of the day and testing the results with Zampler. The SFZ guidance on the BEAT Zampler homepage is verified correct. One thing you are sort of left hanging on is looping. What they say is true, but they leave out that ONLY loop foreward works, and that's what you'll get, with ANY looping specification. I tested forward, backward, bidirectional, and one shot. ALL produced a forward loop!

FWIW .. SFZ codes ignored by Zampler:
pan
transpose
tune
offset

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MutantHero
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Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:13 pm


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MutantHero
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BlackWinny
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Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:41 am

MutantHero wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:08 pm
A patch I made today

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-7Fbe ... gOHoughzAL
Thanks a lot !
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AnX
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Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:05 am

I made a load years ago, have to see if I can find them

no patches as such, just converted some samples to sfz as a test really (mostly my old analogue gear and drum machines)

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MutantHero
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Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:01 am

AnX do that !

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carrieres
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1660 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Poissy, France

Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:42 am

BlackWinny wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:43 am
AnX wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:41 pm
MutantHero wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:04 pm
I just found out Zampler doesn't read this code.
https://sfzformat.com/opcodes/pitch_keytrack
So how do you do drumsets?
i use this

http://carrieres.free.fr/sfz.htm

basically, select all, create sfz type thing

assigns all samples to a single key
I didn't know this tool. Very interesting !

And the author is one of our very active KVR members:
KVR Audio - Viewing profile - carrieres.

So it would be easy to ask him for more information or for more help.
:)
Thanks guys :)
Image

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MutantHero
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Re: Beat Zampler: free sample workstation by Synapse Audio

Post Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:56 pm

Tonight I auto imported the HR 16 samples into HighLife and had it assign one sample per key. I exported as SFZ and Zampler is reading the Loop Mode = One Shot as Loop Mode = Forward, like I mentioned earlier. You can;t give Zampler ANY loop mode command and expect one shot, or anything other than loop forward. Whatever. Just a need to know that's not documented. Here's the beginning of the SFZ for reference that's making Zampler loop the drum samples.

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/// sfz definition file
/// copyright rgc:audio 2004
/// -------------------------------------------------------------------------
/// Application: HighLife
/// Vendor: discoDSP
/// -------------------------------------------------------------------------
/// Program Name: Alesis_HR16
/// Num. Regions: 56



/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Region Name: Alesis_HR16

<region>
sample=Alesis_HR16_0000_Alesis_HR16.wav
lokey=60 hikey=60

loopmode=one_shot
loopstart=0 loopend=12966



/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Region Name: Alesis_HR16

<region>
sample=Alesis_HR16_0001_Alesis_HR16.wav
lokey=61 hikey=61

loopmode=one_shot
loopstart=0 loopend=14989
pitch_keycenter=61

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http://carrieres.free.fr/sfz.htm is DEFINITELY the way to go on getting drums into Zampler :tu:

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