Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

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jottinger
KVRer
1 posts since 24 Oct, 2013 from Youngsville, NC

Post Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:18 am

I'm lost as how to use this with something like BFD3 in Cubase. It loads as an instrument, and I don't see where I candirect the MIDI notes generated to a different track. :/

NTO
KVRist
254 posts since 8 Feb, 2011

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:10 am

Answer on their forum uses Blue Arp, but process ~ the same.
https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewto ... nd+wizards

codec_spurt
KVRAF
3831 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:48 pm

I'm just lost as to how to use this thing in general.

Looks pretty good though.

Hoping to get in to Colundi Sequence Level 6 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlCkw1z_ogs

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Omkar
KVRian
882 posts since 25 Dec, 2007 from Hamburg,Germany

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am

Not sure if already written here so bear with me,

Hornet`s Euclidian gives me some riddles at times,
a free alternative of the same structure but with just one channel per instance
could be Mike Moreno`s Euklid for PC, Mac, Linux.

When I`m stuck at Hornet I go to Euklid to better understand what the problem is.
https://mikemorenoaudio.github.io/

P.S. a uservid going over from scratch would be awesome and resolve a question mark or two.
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HoRNet
KVRist
200 posts since 18 Feb, 2011 from Italy

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 am

Omkar wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am
Not sure if already written here so bear with me,

Hornet`s Euclidian gives me some riddles at times,
a free alternative of the same structure but with just one channel per instance
could be Mike Moreno`s Euklid for PC, Mac, Linux.

When I`m stuck at Hornet I go to Euklid to better understand what the problem is.
https://mikemorenoaudio.github.io/

P.S. a uservid going over from scratch would be awesome and resolve a question mark or two.
Which points do you need help with? I'm happy to do some tutorial videos :)

Saverio

nordickvr
KVRian
1180 posts since 29 Sep, 2013

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:03 am

HoRNet wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 am
Omkar wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am
Not sure if already written here so bear with me,
...
...
P.S. a uservid going over from scratch would be awesome and resolve a question mark or two.
Which points do you need help with? I'm happy to do some tutorial videos :)

Saverio
An answer about this would be much appreciated,
When using Arp. mode:
Its like Hatefish never "purge" notes, i.e.he's adding/stacking them.
Stopping/Returning back to measure 1 doesn't "update" Arp. notes making it useless in this mode.
Tried playing notes live and also sequencing them with no success.

HoRNet
KVRist
200 posts since 18 Feb, 2011 from Italy

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:59 am

nordickvr wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:03 am
HoRNet wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 am
Omkar wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am
Not sure if already written here so bear with me,
...
...
P.S. a uservid going over from scratch would be awesome and resolve a question mark or two.
Which points do you need help with? I'm happy to do some tutorial videos :)

Saverio
An answer about this would be much appreciated,
When using Arp. mode:
Its like Hatefish never "purge" notes, i.e.he's adding/stacking them.
Stopping/Returning back to measure 1 doesn't "update" Arp. notes making it useless in this mode.
Tried playing notes live and also sequencing them with no success.
This sounds like a bug, do you have video that shows the issue? The best thing it would be to open a support ticket stating DAW and OS version.

Thank you
Saverio

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Omkar
KVRian
882 posts since 25 Dec, 2007 from Hamburg,Germany

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:08 am

HoRNet wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 am
Omkar wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am
Not sure if already written here so bear with me,

Hornet`s Euclidian gives me some riddles at times,
a free alternative of the same structure but with just one channel per instance
could be Mike Moreno`s Euklid for PC, Mac, Linux.

When I`m stuck at Hornet I go to Euklid to better understand what the problem is.
https://mikemorenoaudio.github.io/

P.S. a uservid going over from scratch would be awesome and resolve a question mark or two.
Which points do you need help with? I'm happy to do some tutorial videos :)

Saverio
nordickvr wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:03 am
HoRNet wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 am
Omkar wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am
Not sure if already written here so bear with me,
...
...
P.S. a uservid going over from scratch would be awesome and resolve a question mark or two.
Which points do you need help with? I'm happy to do some tutorial videos :)

Saverio
An answer about this would be much appreciated,
When using Arp. mode:
Its like Hatefish never "purge" notes, i.e.he's adding/stacking them.
Stopping/Returning back to measure 1 doesn't "update" Arp. notes making it useless in this mode.
Tried playing notes live and also sequencing them with no success.

Hi all, thanks Saverio for the kind offer ...

Two main things,

1. I find myself almost every time clicking into the step field of a row
in order to edit the line or to edit a single event or to lasso events and edit them.
Otherwise I loose intuition or intuitive workflow and things get too mathematical.

Edit a row means add, delete, nudge, lenghten etc. selected event(s)
and may comes close to what nordickvr means.

It would help tremendously to be able to have access to the events of a row,
so a setup of divisions can be taken as a sketch and then edited.
Or for example when events of two rows are overlapping, one of them can be nudged.
And so on.

2. To have 16 channels in an overview is great but can easily become overstraining.
I.e. I can hear something`s not right and I need to break down what it is.
Then Moreno`s creation comes into play to single out channels
and to play with parameters like rotation and accents.
The Hatefish on/off function of a row doesn`t do the trick
as the row can be located but not fixed (edited).

A user vid not only assembles the technical aspects
but the various influences of experience, the individual footprint of "how to".
If Saverio, as a musician himself, would go over his tool as is
and lays out of how he would use it, I`d be happy to welcome a new user vid.

It wouldn`t be a surprise to see Saverio tempted
clicking into the step field of a row in order to edit it. :D
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nordickvr
KVRian
1180 posts since 29 Sep, 2013

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:39 am

HoRNet wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:59 am
nordickvr wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:03 am
HoRNet wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:44 am
Omkar wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am
Not sure if already written here so bear with me,
...
...
P.S. a uservid going over from scratch would be awesome and resolve a question mark or two.
Which points do you need help with? I'm happy to do some tutorial videos :)

Saverio
...
...
This sounds like a bug, do you have video that shows the issue? The best thing it would be to open a support ticket stating DAW and OS version.

Thank you
Saverio
Done.

HoRNet
KVRist
200 posts since 18 Feb, 2011 from Italy

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:05 am

Omkar wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:08 am
It wouldn`t be a surprise to see Saverio tempted
clicking into the step field of a row in order to edit it. :D
AHAHAHAH :)
I'm more of a mixer / producer than a musician (although I play piano and keyboards and little guitar)
Anyway, that sequencer is an idea of one of our collaborators and it's designed with his specs in mind (he's mainly an IDM/electronic producer) so it's really meant to be automated and not edited.
I think what you have in mind is a step sequencer with some generative algorithm and this is not meant to be that, but just a midi note generator that you can then record into your DAW and edit later (a full step sequencer would require much more work in terms of UI and thus lead to higher costs :D)

Saverio

codec_spurt
KVRAF
3831 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:01 am

Saverio

While we have your ear (possibly),

Can you give some clues how me might use Hornet Sequencer for doing Colundi sequences?

Have you heard of this?

I think it would be quite good - but I don't know what I'm doing?

HoRNet
KVRist
200 posts since 18 Feb, 2011 from Italy

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:02 am

codec_spurt wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:01 am
Saverio

While we have your ear (possibly),

Can you give some clues how me might use Hornet Sequencer for doing Colundi sequences?

Have you heard of this?

I think it would be quite good - but I don't know what I'm doing?
I don't know what you are talking about :) I need to research...

Saverio

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Saffran
KVRist
296 posts since 20 Oct, 2018

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:35 am

Colundi sequences is not a mathematical thing.
It's "The Colundi Sequence - Volume 1 Album by Aleksi Perälä". It's music.
He probably means that micro-tonal thing. He's not clever enough to know what software have use for it.

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Omkar
KVRian
882 posts since 25 Dec, 2007 from Hamburg,Germany

Re: Hornet vst Euclidian Sequencer...

Post Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:13 am

HoRNet wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:05 am
Omkar wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:08 am
It wouldn`t be a surprise to see Saverio tempted
clicking into the step field of a row in order to edit it. :D
AHAHAHAH :)
I'm more of a mixer / producer than a musician (although I play piano and keyboards and little guitar)
Anyway, that sequencer is an idea of one of our collaborators and it's designed with his specs in mind (he's mainly an IDM/electronic producer) so it's really meant to be automated and not edited.
I think what you have in mind is a step sequencer with some generative algorithm and this is not meant to be that, but just a midi note generator that you can then record into your DAW and edit later (a full step sequencer would require much more work in terms of UI and thus lead to higher costs :D)

Saverio
No problem, it is very fine as is,
just wanted to outline my issues at times, there are workarounds.

Ideas which I hope shouldn`t be super hard to deal with,
there may come up a concept to alter the CH tab view to a total overview
in order to locate conflicting rows (just a switch of the view when needed).
and a little more detailed visual representation of length, velocity etc.
Good for sketches before midi editing.

I would welcome a vid of collaborators to get a feeling of worklow
and what was on mind when defining the specs, nothing fancy just inspiration.
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