FL Studio vs Bitwig

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xbitz
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2579 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:41 am

antic604 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:56 am
xbitz wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:35 am
FL hasn't got clips (launcher) based workflow, so if you would prefer this workflow choose BWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHI-BHKk8o
So what's that then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u7E-L0b_Ks
yepp, but can't record MIDI in FL performance mode>> https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?t=191524 so FL is a one-armed paperhanger just now :D
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JunSev
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817 posts since 14 Sep, 2017

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:29 am

antic604 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:41 am
JunSev wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:23 am
The problem you might find (even despite you might find some answers) is a lot of biased advises like "come on... use this one, buy this product"... and you have to be careful with all of that.

For instance, I dislike completely the $170 a year for updates bitwig is asking and how overhyped is.
So true! ;) Like all those people going around the internet you have to pay $169 a year for Bitwig, where in fact throughout the year you can get it for $129 AND that you DON'T have to upgrade every year...
And so true as the fact that "you upgrade when you need" so often brought doesn't change the fact that updates are always important and even in 1 year a lot of things can change and needs updates; also looking at the situation and the image bitwig is presenting, users need to wait for some special day because sometimes they can't afford the $170 a year overpriced update.

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JunSev
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817 posts since 14 Sep, 2017

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:34 am

I recommend the OP to demo and test and see what is the best for him, "what's the best" can be very subjective and sometimes some people will talk in favor of their interests and talk badly about others products in order to convince You that you need this or that product (sometimes this could be considered dirty playing).

Don't follow hypes or propaganda, demo demo.

SLiC
KVRAF
4243 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:47 am

JunSev wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:29 am
antic604 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:41 am
JunSev wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:23 am
The problem you might find (even despite you might find some answers) is a lot of biased advises like "come on... use this one, buy this product"... and you have to be careful with all of that.

For instance, I dislike completely the $170 a year for updates bitwig is asking and how overhyped is.
So true! ;) Like all those people going around the internet you have to pay $169 a year for Bitwig, where in fact throughout the year you can get it for $129 AND that you DON'T have to upgrade every year...
And so true as the fact that "you upgrade when you need" so often brought doesn't change the fact that updates are always important and even in 1 year a lot of things can change and needs updates; also looking at the situation and the image bitwig is presenting, users need to wait for some special day because sometimes they can't afford the $170 a year overpriced update.
Wow, they being out frequent important are really cool updates...the bastards!

I think the updates are pretty cheap, so far you have never needed to update more than once every 18 months to get 'everything' as soon as its out in beta and I have never paid more than $120 for the update, but hey-ho, you cant please everyone. Cubase (which I also use) costs me more to keep up to date with all the paid 0.5 updates....

As a general rule I don't look at the cost, I look at the value 'to me'. I actually own a copy of FL from one I was involved with Synthmaker (Flowstone) and I don't use it at all (its not even installed anymore), so its 'value' is zero to me even with free updates and you cant even sell it so factor the zero re-sale value in to the cost....
https://support.image-line.com/action/k ... se?ans=105
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xbitz
KVRAF
2579 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:40 am

btw for sound designing /if u like Bitwig way/ I would also check plugins of Unfiltered Audio or plugin version of Reason too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyYsLVrA70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7KK9IvMMSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPYbkUc205k

they can be used in any DAW
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

jclosed
KVRist
30 posts since 10 Sep, 2015

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:49 pm

I purchased FL Studio a few years ago, but I never got really comfortable with it. I just does not fit my workflow. I am a long time Cubase user, but have room for other DAW's that are more clip based. I also tried Ableton Live, but although very close, at the end it was also not really my "piece of cake", and I sold my license.

After trying out a limited version of Bitwig that I got with an MIDI keyboard, I was sold. Within a few months I had bought the full version and I am really happy with it. The Cubase and Bitwig combination has everything I need. Of course I still have my FL Studio installed (it's a for-life license you cannot sell), but I have not touched it since I got Bitwig. For me Bitwig Studio is by far the better of the two, especially if you like to experiment a lot (I love the modulators and the grid). That's not to say FL Studio is bad or something, but working with Bitwig Studio just sparks my creativity far more than FL Studio has ever done.

This is just, of course, a personal opinion.

xbitz
KVRAF
2579 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:14 pm

^^^ yepp DAW choosing is always depending on your prefered workflow, for ex. scale highlighting and chord auditioning tool (for triggering Nora vst) based workflow is simply not exist in Bitwig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LndPxK6GQXs
I really like FL as a chord progression scratchpad, with scale highlighting the intervals and different chord qualities can be seen clearly without any further thinking
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Halonmusic
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3030 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:35 pm

xbitz wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:35 am
FL hasn't got clips (launcher) based workflow, so if you would prefer this workflow choose BWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHI-BHKk8o
Yes it does. Since v11 or 10.
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inkwarp
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782 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:28 pm

Halonmusic wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:35 pm
xbitz wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:35 am
FL hasn't got clips (launcher) based workflow, so if you would prefer this workflow choose BWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHI-BHKk8o
Yes it does. Since v11 or 10.
Yes, it's called "performance mode"..

jonljacobi
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1258 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:10 pm

Really. No one can tell you which you would prefer. Download and try them. Thoroughly. Don't get anxious and go off your first impression. Little things can bite you.

xx JPRacer xx
KVRAF
2025 posts since 25 Jun, 2008 from Montreal, Canada

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:31 pm

The "performance mode" in FL is to launch clips, not for recording.

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Halonmusic
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3030 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:34 pm

inkwarp wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:28 pm
Halonmusic wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:35 pm
xbitz wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:35 am
FL hasn't got clips (launcher) based workflow, so if you would prefer this workflow choose BWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHI-BHKk8o
Yes it does. Since v11 or 10.
Yes, it's called "performance mode"..
xx JPRacer xx wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:31 pm
The "performance mode" in FL is to launch clips, not for recording.
Indeed.
Don't be a Sheep. :borg: | Opinions matters :evil:

mtelesha
KVRist
219 posts since 21 May, 2018

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:32 pm

JunSev wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:23 am
For instance, I dislike completely the $170 a year for updates bitwig is asking and how overhyped is.
A) Overhyped is 100% a opinion

B) Opinion on their business model is instead of charging for a new version you pay to have the latest version and all upgrades for a year,

Well I bought Bitwig and it stayed Version 1 for years. It still worked perfectly well for me. I didn't upgrade till version 3. I bought it for the price of a typical VST Synth and the grid is a crazy synth and fx all in one and was a great deal.

If that is what it takes to get the DAW developed Im all in. I think paying $129 (That is the sale price a few times a year) is worth it for me but I was able to do everything with Bitwig 1.
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inkwarp
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782 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:37 pm

Halonmusic wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:34 pm
inkwarp wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:28 pm
Halonmusic wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:35 pm
xbitz wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:35 am
FL hasn't got clips (launcher) based workflow, so if you would prefer this workflow choose BWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHI-BHKk8o
Yes it does. Since v11 or 10.
Yes, it's called "performance mode"..
xx JPRacer xx wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:31 pm
The "performance mode" in FL is to launch clips, not for recording.
Indeed.
I was replying to the statement "FL hasn't got clips (launcher) based workflow", there was no mention of recording.

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JunSev
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817 posts since 14 Sep, 2017

Re: FL Studio vs Bitwig

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:40 pm

SLiC wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:47 am
JunSev wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:29 am
antic604 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:41 am
JunSev wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:23 am
The problem you might find (even despite you might find some answers) is a lot of biased advises like "come on... use this one, buy this product"... and you have to be careful with all of that.

For instance, I dislike completely the $170 a year for updates bitwig is asking and how overhyped is.
So true! ;) Like all those people going around the internet you have to pay $169 a year for Bitwig, where in fact throughout the year you can get it for $129 AND that you DON'T have to upgrade every year...
And so true as the fact that "you upgrade when you need" so often brought doesn't change the fact that updates are always important and even in 1 year a lot of things can change and needs updates; also looking at the situation and the image bitwig is presenting, users need to wait for some special day because sometimes they can't afford the $170 a year overpriced update.
Wow, they being out frequent important are really cool updates...the bastards!

I think the updates are pretty cheap, so far you have never needed to update more than once every 18 months to get 'everything' as soon as its out in beta and I have never paid more than $120 for the update, but hey-ho, you cant please everyone. Cubase (which I also use) costs me more to keep up to date with all the paid 0.5 updates....

As a general rule I don't look at the cost, I look at the value 'to me'. I actually own a copy of FL from one I was involved with Synthmaker (Flowstone) and I don't use it at all (its not even installed anymore), so its 'value' is zero to me even with free updates and you cant even sell it so factor the zero re-sale value in to the cost....
https://support.image-line.com/action/k ... se?ans=105
It is overpriced, period; and a lot of bitwig users need to wait some "special day" because often they can't afford it.

And what has Flowstone to do with any of this conversation? we are talking about The Daws here, not about something that doesn't even come with the IL installer; is about The Daw, like come on... you can try but make some fair points...

With all respect SLiC.

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