Bitwig 3.1 announcement

[EmmetPDX]

So we can de-tune our synths but still can't tune our guitars, eh?

Don't get me wrong, fine grained pitch control is cool, but am the only person in the world who thinks it'd be handy to have a built-in Chromatic Tuner device? So, like the marketing says, we can be properly "tuned up" without needing plugins or external programs.

But there are so many free tuners (MTuner is free, midi out and polyphonic!) that I cant see any advantage at all of having it as a rack device 'unless' it 'also' does fast pitch to midi or something cool
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MTune

Sounds nice, but I'm mainly on Linux and prefer to use native plugins whenever possible, and MTuner doesn't seem to support Linux as of now. GTune is a freeware tuner plugin with a Linux release, but it crashes semi-regularly, so right now I'm using the standalone open source Lingot tuner application.

I know that I'm probably outside of the norm, I just think it's kind of funny that the update is branded as "tuned up" when Bitwig still doesn't have a tuner. Not a huge deal, but it's on my wishlist. ;]

[Echoes in the Attic]

Has it been confirmed wither the note chase function starts only from under 50% of the total note length or if they meant under a half note from the end?

[Rivanni]

Has it been confirmed wither the note chase function starts only from under 50% of the total note length or if they meant under a half note from the end?

This note, starting on 1.1 will sound when starting from 4.3 but not beyond that location.
So starting from the location in the image produces no sound.
And if you make the note 10 bars longer (15.1) the last point sound is produced is 14.3.

note chase.png

[Echoes in the Attic]

Has it been confirmed wither the note chase function starts only from under 50% of the total note length or if they meant under a half note from the end?

This note, starting on 1.1 will sound when starting from 4.3 but not beyond that location.
So starting from the location in the image produces no sound.
And if you make the note 10 bars longer (15.1) the last point sound is produced is 14.3.

note chase.png

Ah ok! That's good. I (and others) had originally interpreted that to mean half the actual notes duration, which seemed weird and would have been bad for long pads/drones. But this method seems reasonable.

[memyselfandus]

"Curious does MicroPitch device allow for scales with more than 12 notes per octave? Looking at the interface it's not clear if it just allows re-tuning of 12 note scales."

Good question.

[Taika-Kim]

Yesterday's microtonal test in 3.1 beta: a 10 semitones per octave scale, I'm playing the same sequences both with a normal harmonic series, and also a one where I tried to tune the partials by ear so that there is less beating and dissonance in the harmonics. The additive 32-partial saw wave that I did previously is a tremendously useful resource when doing microtonal stuff, since nasty dissonant partials in the scale can be spread so that the sound glues together a bit better.

It's kind of liberating to work with non-standard octaves, because note names an octaves in the clip editor stop meaning much, so I have to work by ear only, which requires a more intuitive approach.

Not a long clip again, I spent most of the time trying to reproduce crashes to desktop actually And experimenting with the sounds. But I look forward to start planning complete works using these new tools, the possibilities are so vast, and it's so easy to create unpleasant sounds with microtonal scales, that it will take time.. Since every scale needs it's own theory and best way to use it, and finding that might take some effort.

Oops btw all the voice amounts are maxed out IIRC since I was rendering, I forgot to lower them before sharing, this might get super heavy since there's thousands of oscillators playing. I used something like 3 or 4 voices per Grid instance on my old laptop, and just set them to max when doing a render.

https://soundcloud.com/haltiamieli/31-bassline-test4

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7f036g9sg4bo ... oject?dl=0

[JHernandez]

I will definitely be using this microtonal stuff to create unsettling anxious moments.

[memyselfandus]

Is it possible to use scales with more than 12 tones per octave?

[Echoes in the Attic]

Yesterday's microtonal test in 3.1 beta: a 10 semitones per octave scale, I'm playing the same sequences both with a normal harmonic series, and also a one where I tried to tune the partials by ear so that there is less beating and dissonance in the harmonics. The additive 32-partial saw wave that I did previously is a tremendously useful resource when doing microtonal stuff, since nasty dissonant partials in the scale can be spread so that the sound glues together a bit better.

It's kind of liberating to work with non-standard octaves, because note names an octaves in the clip editor stop meaning much, so I have to work by ear only, which requires a more intuitive approach.

Not a long clip again, I spent most of the time trying to reproduce crashes to desktop actually And experimenting with the sounds. But I look forward to start planning complete works using these new tools, the possibilities are so vast, and it's so easy to create unpleasant sounds with microtonal scales, that it will take time.. Since every scale needs it's own theory and best way to use it, and finding that might take some effort.

Oops btw all the voice amounts are maxed out IIRC since I was rendering, I forgot to lower them before sharing, this might get super heavy since there's thousands of oscillators playing. I used something like 3 or 4 voices per Grid instance on my old laptop, and just set them to max when doing a render.

https://soundcloud.com/haltiamieli/31-bassline-test4

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s7f036g9sg4bo ... oject?dl=0

Really cool gamelan type sound at the beginning there. I don't feel that the bass really fit, but that's not important. I am sort of interested to try using other tuning systems and a little intrigued by throwing out the usual theory and just trying things with drones and subtle pitch changes that aren't in the usual equal temperament.

[SLiC]

Is it possible to use scales with more than 12 tones per octave?

I wouldn’t think so, there are only 12 slots to adjust pitch

[memyselfandus]

Is it possible to use scales with more than 12 tones per octave?

I wouldn’t think so, there are only 12 slots to adjust pitch

Doh! Thank you. Was hoping to use some quarter tone stuff and other > than 12 EDO (equal division of octave) scales. still amazing! Hoping to see a update for 1/4 tone scales and beyond 12 tones per octave scales. There are a ton of them in the scales/tun format.

[Taika-Kim]

Yes it is? Just Make the octave for example 6 semitones, then you'll have a quarter tone scale, IIRC there was even a preset for that that came with the beta. And also anything less, well just set the intervals you need, and either don't use the rest or make them flavour notes of very small difference (like a lot of traditional microtonal music from around the world).

About that clip, well it was not meant to be anything else than just trying out the concept Time for songwriting is much later for me at least, first I want to explore different ideas and see where that takes me. I hope I could afford the book of Sethares (https://sethares.engr.wisc.edu/ttss.html), but even the digital edition is almost a hundred euros. Definitely the best book on acoustics I've read, and completely groundbreaking regarding microtonality, tuning, and other related subjects. I read it once, but that was almost ten years ago. Still I want to explore this interplay between different harmonic series and tunings, I have a feeling there's a lot of ground there that hasn't been tread much. Also I want to make that additive oscillator a bit more flexible, since that's going to be the main tool for most sounds probably in this context.

[Taika-Kim]

The very first example in his book already is enough to shatter most of traditional theory: http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/%7Esethare ... alloct.mp3

First in the example is played a normal octave with the custom sound, and it's really dissonant. Then a 2.1 octave is played (where the octave is 2.1 times the frequency of the base note), and it's all beautifully in tune. So this proves that tuning and the harmonic series of the sounds used to play those tunings are interlinked. Especially harmonic theory goes down the drain with microtonal scales and xenharmonic (sounds that have something else than the usual harmonic series) sounds.

I'm just happy my favourite tool allows not to explore these concepts And I'm sure we're getting something else too for 3.1 final, IIRC they always usually dropped a thing or two in during the beta already, probably to concentrate testing in certain new things first.

[mlt]

Can someone confirm if the Note Chase function works with the Windows build?

[Broken]

I will definitely be using this microtonal stuff to create unsettling anxious moments.

You could create a whole album of them and call it Life.