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evg · Post by **evg** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:01 pm

I think that it would be great if there was a controller box, which would allow to control the 4 XY-Pads of Hive and Zebra directly, with 4 mini-joysticks (instead of using 8 separate knobs) or 4 mini-touchpads.
What do you think?
If there is sufficient interest, we could ask the Faderfox company, how much something like this would cost. Maybe they would be interested to make this into a product.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 am

The closest is using Joué board with 3 XYZ (Area) pads overlay... One pad missing...

https://eu.play-joue.com/collections/al ... joue-board
https://eu.play-joue.com/collections/al ... ducts/area

Rivanni · Post by **Rivanni** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:57 am

EvilDragon wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:44 am The closest is using Joué board with 3 XYZ (Area) pads overlay... One pad missing...

https://eu.play-joue.com/collections/al ... joue-board
https://eu.play-joue.com/collections/al ... ducts/area

Then I'll buy two

Nice products but expensive.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:07 pm

I setup a TouchOSC layout with 4 big XYs just for this. Works great. Large XY pads on a touch screen work very well.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:22 pm

I think a single USB X-Y Stick would sell well. Something you could put on top of your midi keyboard (weighted or with a non marring suction cup). Sort of like what is found on a K1M:

K1M.jpg

A Google search turned up nothing.......

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:29 pm

new midi joystick just out: https://www.thomann.de/gb/lab4music_enjoy.htm

Personally I use one sensel morph with a custom overlay set up as 4 separate XY(Z) pads - You configure this in the very easy to use supplied software (you can download this before you buy to check it out) and you can 'print out' a nice 4 box XY display just like Zebra to go in the sleeve (or if you are realy in top it custom print a 3D overlay- plenty of people will do it for you for a few bucks as a 1 off)

https://sensel.com/pages/the-sensel-morph
https://sensel.com/collections/all/prod ... rs-overlay

Its obviusly not the same feel as a real joystick, but a lot cheaper and with many other uses....

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:16 am

SLiC wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:29 pm new midi joystick just out: https://www.thomann.de/gb/lab4music_enjoy.htm

That's more expensive than I paid for the Sensel with the Buchla overlay or my Faderfox that is festooned with buttons, sliders, knobs and 2 joysticks !!!

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:33 am

VariKusBrainZ wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:16 am
SLiC wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:29 pm new midi joystick just out: https://www.thomann.de/gb/lab4music_enjoy.htm
That's more expensive than I paid for the Sensel with the Buchla overlay or my Faderfox that is festooned with buttons, sliders, knobs and 2 joysticks !!!

Yeh, its not cheap, but to be fair it is also a Joy-Midi-CV-LFO converter/generator, and CV generating joysticks for eurorack are not cheap either!

MIDI-USB: control change generator according joystick and pedals movements. MIDI-CV: control change remapping incoming CC from USB external device to Control Voltage outputs (-4.5V +4.5V).
MIDI-CV: MIDI note messages conversion to PITCH, GATE and VELOCITY signals (0V +5V).
MIDI-CV: MIDI System Real-Time messages conversion to TRIGGER signals (0V +5V).
CV: Control Voltage generation modulated by joystick or pedals (-4.5V +4.5V).
CV-LFO: sine, square, saw, tringle LFO generation, with AMP and FREQ modulated by joystick or pedals (-4.5V +4.5V, max 100Hz).

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:25 pm

SLiC wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:29 pm new midi joystick just out: https://www.thomann.de/gb/lab4music_enjoy.htm

More expensive than the Behringer Neutron or Model D analog synths ?

Or I could just grab the X-Y Puck on the GUI of the synth I'm using and move it with my mouse.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:54 pm

Teksonik wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:25 pm
SLiC wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:29 pm new midi joystick just out: https://www.thomann.de/gb/lab4music_enjoy.htm
More expensive than the Behringer Neutron or Model D analog synths ?

Or I could just grab the X-Y Puck on the GUI of the synth I'm using and move it with my mouse.

Yeh, but I already own the Neutron and Model D

Intellijel planar 2 is a very popular Eurorack joystick (with a few other tricks) and it also retails at £300, there is not a lot of choice if you want CV and a real joystick.

Of course you dont 'need' a real joystick to control virtual synths, but its a lot more fun!

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:58 pm

Yes that's why I think a simple USB Joystick at a reasonable price would be a hot seller. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I used to own a K1m and liked the Joystick but sadly it doesn't send Midi data or you could pick up a used one pretty cheap these days I imagine.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:26 pm

SLiC wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:54 pm Intellijel planar 2 is a very popular Eurorack joystick (with a few other tricks) and it also retails at £300, there is not a lot of choice if you want CV and a real joystick.

FoH Choices is a much cheaper possibility...

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:48 pm

Teksonik wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:58 pm Yes that's why I think a simple USB Joystick at a reasonable price would be a hot seller. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I used to own a K1m and liked the Joystick but sadly it doesn't send Midi data or you could pick up a used one pretty cheap these days I imagine.

Game controller, I think Hi! computer's Elephant will map them to midi
Just remembered I have a Numark Orbit that does tilt orientation to midi

evg · Post by **evg** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:25 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:16 am That's more expensive than I paid for the Sensel with the Buchla overlay or my Faderfox that is festooned with buttons, sliders, knobs and 2 joysticks !!!

Is there already a Faderfox model with joysticks? I didn't see any on their website.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:23 am

https://www.fergonez.net/softwares/fjoymidi

This page has Fergo's Reaper joystick midi controller, among
many others (left side, scroll down. I used this with
a Logitech usb gamepad to map x-y axis to
the M42 synth distortion pad, was great fun, and mapped
the many buttons to trigger notes from a few chords.
Taped the controller to my pantleg for easy access.

This may be old, might even require an old Reaper,
but I think the old installers are still available at the www.reaper.fm
I noticed the gamecontroller while rummaging the other day,
so I'll check it out again on the weekend.

Reaper discussion: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=37629

Using two apps, Avis Rejoice, and Loop-be1, could also be used, a youtube video from raptoriou5 exists, using fruityloops. Possibly also midi-yoke
on the closet XP machine

or

https://www.howtogeek.com/79988/turn-a- ... -software/

Many free controller links listed (not tested):

https://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=2862

https://www.nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html

??? http://www.otk.it/mjoy/

Hubi's midi joystic era 1995

https://archive.org/details/mdjstk10_zip

etc etc etc

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KVR Audio

Controller box with 4 XY-Joysticks?