New MPE synths...

[Tj Shredder]

Something to be aware of in this scenario is that it still only preserves the received channels when there are no overlapping notes of the same channel. If there are two notes of the same channel that overlap, Bitwig will bump the second note up a channel as well as all subsequent channels.

Yes, and I had an argument with them about it, but they claimed, that that isn't in the MPE specs... This only affects channel per row though, and you'll find a work around as well with an instrument layer...
Maybe we should stop here, its getting off topic...

[Echoes in the Attic]

Something to be aware of in this scenario is that it still only preserves the received channels when there are no overlapping notes of the same channel. If there are two notes of the same channel that overlap, Bitwig will bump the second note up a channel as well as all subsequent channels.

Yes, and I had an argument with them about it, but they claimed, that that isn't in the MPE specs... This only affects channel per row though, and you'll find a work around as well with an instrument layer...
Maybe we should stop here, its getting off topic...

Yeah I guess they're right, it isn't strictly an MPE thing. It just would be nice to have a mode where the channels aren't ever changed, for using the linnstrument channel per row, which has different applications from the regular MPE mode. But yes we will keep that to the Bitwig forum...
(I made a new thread in the Bitwig forum to discuss this TJ)

[Echoes in the Attic]

If left to my own devices I would describe SWAM instruments as 'MPE aware'.

Because I totally get why MPE seems inappropriate given the level of polyphony on offer with these instruments. And Audio Modeling dont use the term MPE to describe their own instruments. But their manuals and release notes make various references to MPE controllers (eg when talking about things like the pitch bend range settings).

Yeah "MPE Aware" seems reasonable, though an argument could made against that as well if one is speaking strictly in the polyphonic sense. It's not really different from saying "MPE compatible" as I originally did. Be careful with statements like that around here, you might get accused of "confusion"! No room for nuance apparently.

Someone should probably help Roli's confusion and tell them not to include Audio modeling under their list of "Software synthesizers compatible with MPE".
https://support.roli.com/support/soluti ... nstruments

[peterlanders]

Could've sworn I'd signed up here ages ago, but I guess I didn't. Anyway, just noticed that the Pigments 2.0 update from Arturia now (finally?) supports MPE. Haven't had a chance to experiment yet (last teaching day of 2019!) but hopefully tomorrow...

[Tj Shredder]

I just tested the demo. It is! That gives hope, that V8 will also give us some MPE enhancements.
I did not care too much about Pigments 1.x for the lack of MPE support. Pigments 2 has also a lot of other enhancements...
This is a big one... My crossgrade price is 69 €... I doubt I can resist...

[Echoes in the Attic]

I just tested the demo. It is! That gives hope, that V8 will also give us some MPE enhancements.
I did not care too much about Pigments 1.x for the lack of MPE support. Pigments 2 has also a lot of other enhancements...
This is a big one... My crossgrade price is 69 €... I doubt I can resist...

Yeah I think there's a high probability that all the other synths with a mod matrix will get MPE, since those don't require GUI changes. Tough to say whether something like the ARP 2600 will get it since the mod sources are wired connections.

[peterlanders]

They did at least add polyphonic aftertouch to Pigments 1.x midway through, which was a decent start. I think it's pretty impressive that they made 2.0 a free upgrade for current users, too.

[tiantong]

I just tested the demo. It is! That gives hope, that V8 will also give us some MPE enhancements.
I did not care too much about Pigments 1.x for the lack of MPE support. Pigments 2 has also a lot of other enhancements...
This is a big one... My crossgrade price is 69 €... I doubt I can resist...

How is the implementation? Same visuals as the rest of the modulators? Easy to get going or buried somewhere?

[Tj Shredder]

Its worth to download the free trial. Check it out...
I guess I have to dive a bit into it and start some sound design. The presets are not in the same way spot on expressive as those from Cypher 2 or Equator. But there seems to be a lot of potential...

[mrspiral]

Can someone verify that Wizdom Music's SampleWiz works with MPE, and if so, how it is set up? GeoSynth and SampleWiz were listed along with GeoShred. GeoShred is definitely MPE-friendly, but we determined that GeoSynth was not (a huge bummer!) and now I am trying to see if SampleWiz is... will do research on my own, but if anyone knows for sure, please say so?

[tiantong]

Its worth to download the free trial. Check it out...
I guess I have to dive a bit into it and start some sound design. The presets are not in the same way spot on expressive as those from Cypher 2 or Equator. But there seems to be a lot of potential...

Yeah, I did that. Was positively surprised to find the MPE button in the front page and what seemed to be easy to tweak settings but although I found some presets using the Y axis from a macro I didn’t find an easy way to apply this modulation. I will have another look today.

[BobDog]

Its worth to download the free trial. Check it out...
I guess I have to dive a bit into it and start some sound design. The presets are not in the same way spot on expressive as those from Cypher 2 or Equator. But there seems to be a lot of potential...

Yeah, I did that. Was positively surprised to find the MPE button in the front page and what seemed to be easy to tweak settings but although I found some presets using the Y axis from a macro I didn’t find an easy way to apply this modulation. I will have another look today.

There are two ways in Pigments to add modulations.

1. Hover over a knob until a little + appears in the top right and click it. This will show you all the modulation sources for that control in the modulation sources area, now you can use the sliders to set any of the sources including M1.

2. Click on M1 in the modulation sources area, this will show all your destinations for M1. To add new ones hover the mouse on the outside edge of a knob where the white border is, this will turn blue. Hold mouse button and move mouse up/down set to create modulation range.

[BobDog]

Its worth to download the free trial. Check it out...
I guess I have to dive a bit into it and start some sound design. The presets are not in the same way spot on expressive as those from Cypher 2 or Equator. But there seems to be a lot of potential...

The presets are not really set up for MPE and really require some tinkering, you can also set curves on the X/Y like in Cypher/Equator by using a Combinator with a type of "Remap". There are other useful combinator types there as well to play with.

[tiantong]

Nice. There goes my weekend

[BobDog]

It is worth noting that there is a little problem with Pigments MPE implementation at the moment where you can only play the same note once. Hopefully this one will be fixed soon.

Also there is a request logged for a proper mono/legato mode for single channel per row. I'm pushing on this one so fingers crossed.