I own and use a registered version of Zebra2 where the pitch bend works perfectly using a guitar with Midi Guitar 2. I did have a trial version of Hive1 installed and the pitch bend originally worked with it as well. I decided to install Hive 2 to see what I thought of it, and the pitch bend will not work. So I uninstalled v2 and reinstalled v1, and now pitch bend will not work with v1. It still works fine with Zebra2 and any other soft synths I load up. Is there something I am missing in Hive that I need to do to get PB to work properly with Hive? I definitely have it set correctly in both Midi Guitar and Hive at +2 and -2.I have tried other bend ranges as well, but none will work. I really like Hive for use with guitar, actually better than Zebra, and I would like to purchase it, but not unless I can get it functioning properly. Any help to get this working is greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Tim
Pitch Bend not working in Hive1 or Hive2
-
- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Unlike Zebra, Hive always operates in what we call "multi channel MIDI", a sibling of MPE which is polyphonic on each MIDI channel. That is, you can play some notes on one channel which react to pitch bend on that channel while notes played on another channel only react to the pitch bend of that other channel.
To solve your issue, you simply have to make sure that the pitch bend is sent on the same channel as the notes. If you only need one channel, DAWs and other plug-in hosts can usually be set to combine incoming MIDI to a single channel and you're all set.
To solve your issue, you simply have to make sure that the pitch bend is sent on the same channel as the notes. If you only need one channel, DAWs and other plug-in hosts can usually be set to combine incoming MIDI to a single channel and you're all set.
-
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 15 posts since 7 Oct, 2017
Thanks for the reply. I have to admit I am not totally clear on what you are saying? Midi Guitar 2 channel is set to any/omni. I cannot see anywhere in Hive to set the midi channel? Can you tell me where I set the pitch bend to be sent on the same channel as the notes?
As a side note: I see that the "Pitch Bend" letters are "greyed out" in HIVE and it appears to be disabled. I can find no way to enable it?
As a side note: I see that the "Pitch Bend" letters are "greyed out" in HIVE and it appears to be disabled. I can find no way to enable it?
-
- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
As I said, Hive always listens to all channels, but it associates pitch bend (and other controllers) only to notes played on the same channel. There's no setting to restrict Hive to a single channel.
If MIDI Guitar 2 is your host software, there must be a setting there, but I've never used it so I wouldn't know. Maybe somebody else can chime in. If you use it with another host, it's there somewhere. E.g. in Logic you can set the selected track's MIDI channel in the track controls on the left.
Pitch Bend in Hive is always active, there's no way to disable it - other than setting it to +/-0 semi tones.
Also, another thought: Hive's arpeggiator and sequencer *only* operate on MIDI Channel 1 (they receive on all channels but only send on channel 1). So if you have the arpeggiator and/or the sequencer enabled, you'll only hear pitch bend that's sent on channel 1.
If MIDI Guitar 2 is your host software, there must be a setting there, but I've never used it so I wouldn't know. Maybe somebody else can chime in. If you use it with another host, it's there somewhere. E.g. in Logic you can set the selected track's MIDI channel in the track controls on the left.
Pitch Bend in Hive is always active, there's no way to disable it - other than setting it to +/-0 semi tones.
Also, another thought: Hive's arpeggiator and sequencer *only* operate on MIDI Channel 1 (they receive on all channels but only send on channel 1). So if you have the arpeggiator and/or the sequencer enabled, you'll only hear pitch bend that's sent on channel 1.
-
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 15 posts since 7 Oct, 2017
The thing is that it worked perfectly with HIVE 1 before I installed HIVE 2. I changed absolutely nothing, other than installing version 2. Also, why is the pitch bend greyed out in it now, when it is not greyed out in Zebra, or any other synth? Is it possible that it is turned off for demo purposes? I'll post a screen shot to show you that it is greyed out, i.e. disabled. No way I am going to purchase HIVE until I get this figured out.
I do not use arpeggiator or the sequencer.
I do not use arpeggiator or the sequencer.
-
- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Yes, a screenshot would be great. Hive's pitch bend controls are normally blue and I can not recall any way to grey them out.
-
tasmaniandevil tasmaniandevil https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=62450
- KVRAF
- 2171 posts since 22 Mar, 2005 from a planet called u-he
Also please make sure that your hardware controller, e.g. your MIDI keyboard is sending MIDI notes and pitch bend data on the same MIDI channel, ideally on MIDI channel 1. If you don't know how, please consult your keyboard's manual.
And I don't know MIDI Guitar 2, so you'd have to check its manual about how to set up MIDI channel routing. Each host does this differently, some simply use the MIDI channel the hardware controller sends its data from, others will route the incoming data to a certain MIDI channel.
And if the Hive pitch bend is greyed out, the only thing I can imagine would be a problem with the installation, since you first updated, then downdated again. A clean installation might fix your problem, i.e. first completely uninstall Hive, then install the version you want to use.
And I don't know MIDI Guitar 2, so you'd have to check its manual about how to set up MIDI channel routing. Each host does this differently, some simply use the MIDI channel the hardware controller sends its data from, others will route the incoming data to a certain MIDI channel.
And if the Hive pitch bend is greyed out, the only thing I can imagine would be a problem with the installation, since you first updated, then downdated again. A clean installation might fix your problem, i.e. first completely uninstall Hive, then install the version you want to use.
That QA guy from planet u-he.
-
- KVRAF
- 1898 posts since 14 Jul, 2018
i assume MIDI Guitar is this kind of software?:
https://www.jamorigin.com/
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/ja ... i-guitar-2
https://www.jamorigin.com/
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/ja ... i-guitar-2
-
- KVRAF
- 1898 posts since 14 Jul, 2018
i assume MIDIGuitar is working in a similar way like the roland gr series of midi controllers
that is, each string has its own midi channel like
E= ch1, A = ch2 etc
so somewhere winthin MIDIGuitar and/or your host DAW there must be a switch to
select a discreet single midi channel
or you try to setup HIVE as multichannel instrument, where each string has its own channel and ts own hive
that is, each string has its own midi channel like
E= ch1, A = ch2 etc
so somewhere winthin MIDIGuitar and/or your host DAW there must be a switch to
select a discreet single midi channel
or you try to setup HIVE as multichannel instrument, where each string has its own channel and ts own hive
-
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 15 posts since 7 Oct, 2017
Yes, that is the exact program I am using, and I have the latest version. I also have a Roland GR-33 which the GK-2A, but I rarely use it anymore. Midi Guitar 2 works just as well, with much better latency and allows access to all these great soft synths.muki wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:03 pm i assume MIDI Guitar is this kind of software?:
https://www.jamorigin.com/
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/ja ... i-guitar-2
-
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 15 posts since 7 Oct, 2017
Okay here are some screenshots. First couple are of Midi Guitar showing the interface settings and the channel choices. It is worth noting again, that I have not changed these settings for a year and they worked perfectly with every soft synth I load, until I installed HIVE 2. I can immediately open Zebra2 (or any other synth) and it works perfectly. Then back to HIVE and it does not work. Two days ago it was working. I have tried selecting other midi channels and it makes no difference.
The next image is of Hive showing, to my eyes, what appears to be the pitch bend letters above the PB settings to be "greyed out". Maybe they are just designed to look that way?
The next image is of Hive showing, to my eyes, what appears to be the pitch bend letters above the PB settings to be "greyed out". Maybe they are just designed to look that way?
Last edited by zuropak on Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:46 pm, edited 4 times in total.
-
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 15 posts since 7 Oct, 2017
No idea why the screenshots are not showing? I uploaded them to my website?? Do they have to be approved by someone first? If you right click on the link and "open in new tab" you can see them.
-
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 15 posts since 7 Oct, 2017
I have already done that, but will try it again. I find it very odd that U-He does not have an uninstall feature built into their software? Perhaps I did not uninstall it correctly?tasmaniandevil wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:49 am And if the Hive pitch bend is greyed out, the only thing I can imagine would be a problem with the installation, since you first updated, then downdated again. A clean installation might fix your problem, i.e. first completely uninstall Hive, then install the version you want to use.
-
- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 15 posts since 7 Oct, 2017
Strange, the link and images are there for me. Did you chose "open image in new tab"?