Disappointment in hardware synths
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 784 posts since 25 Aug, 2019
Hi folks,
I was so excited when Behringer made analog synths affordable, without checking the limitations and how analog synths work, I bought Neutron and Model D and I was sure these two synths are more than enough to make "fully" analog tracks. Well, I was naive, then I discovered that there is no way to save patches, and I have to record the synth every time I change the patch, and all the CV hassle, etc. Finally, I came to conclusion that a pure analog synth is more a toy than a workhorse device. I can be a nice touch to a track to add one sound per analog synth, but that's it. So, I was wondering how others incorporate analog synths into their workflow.
Thanks.
I was so excited when Behringer made analog synths affordable, without checking the limitations and how analog synths work, I bought Neutron and Model D and I was sure these two synths are more than enough to make "fully" analog tracks. Well, I was naive, then I discovered that there is no way to save patches, and I have to record the synth every time I change the patch, and all the CV hassle, etc. Finally, I came to conclusion that a pure analog synth is more a toy than a workhorse device. I can be a nice touch to a track to add one sound per analog synth, but that's it. So, I was wondering how others incorporate analog synths into their workflow.
Thanks.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35235 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
Switch synth on
Mess about
Get inspired
Record
Turn recording into loops, beats, riffs etc
I've also used lots of analog synths live. I send them some midi and tweak to taste ...
(btw some of them have memory slots)
Mess about
Get inspired
Record
Turn recording into loops, beats, riffs etc
I've also used lots of analog synths live. I send them some midi and tweak to taste ...
(btw some of them have memory slots)
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- KVRian
- 525 posts since 24 Feb, 2008
Some analog synths have presets. One of the main reasons why I bought a Waldorf Pulse2 instead of Korg MS-20 mini. Years before Behringer started releasing their retro produvts.
- KVRAF
- 9581 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
What preset is that?
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- addled muppet weed
- 106085 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
harsh but fair.
also points for "amusing".
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- addled muppet weed
- 106085 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
this.
additional herbs or beer to taste...
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35235 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
- Banned
- 2288 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada
Yeah . I don't know if calling them a toy is a fair. Its just a different mindset than using a DAW or VST and having that ability (luxury) to save and retrieve presets you worked on for hours and hours. Perhaps look at it as it needs a workflow where you try different things, and once you get something that sounds great, capture that sound as soon as possible as it won't come again in quite the same way. sort of the old way to making music, which I think those particular Behringer modules and the era they come from, are a recreation of.
If you like analogue and need presets, you might want to checkout the maxibrute. decent synth and lots of functionality.
https://www.arturia.com/products/hardwa ... e/overview
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- KVRAF
- 2626 posts since 8 Sep, 2009
Doesn't work, honestly. The more you add, the more 'freaked out' it gets. While it is great fun for the artist himself (I know exactly where you're coming from because I love those sessions myself), the audience will run away slowly but surely, unless they think they're part of an avantgarde-art-high-end-event they actually don't enjoy but think it's cool to tell their peeps afterward.
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- KVRAF
- 2305 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
Some people do the slightest amount of basic research before throwing hundreds of dollars at new things.
Others, apparently, do not.... and get what they deserve.
I mean, it took more effort to sign up and post on KVR than it would have to learn about the synths you were buying.
I mean, this must be a troll, right? This is just too stupid.
- KVRAF
- 7390 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Go listen to Switched-On Bach, or better yet, any of Isao Tomita's works from 1974-1982 and you'll hear what "a toy" can do. That is... with skill, understanding of synthesis and sound design, and practice, and a little effort (it's not even that much effort).
To me, presets are like putting training wheels on a tricycle.
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- addled muppet weed
- 106085 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
audience? some breed of elephant?elassi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:54 pmDoesn't work, honestly. The more you add, the more 'freaked out' it gets. While it is great fun for the artist himself (I know exactly where you're coming from because I love those sessions myself), the audience will run away slowly but surely, unless they think they're part of an avantgarde-art-high-end-event they actually don't enjoy but think it's cool to tell their peeps afterward.
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
Have to agree. Even if I'm spending £100 on something I still read countless reviews and watch hours and hours of YouTube to ensure it's right for me.mholloway wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:56 pmSome people do the slightest amount of basic research before throwing hundreds of dollars at new things.
Others, apparently, do not.... and get what they deserve.
I mean, it took more effort to sign up and post on KVR than it would have to learn about the synths you were buying.
I mean, this must be a troll, right? This is just too stupid.
This would be like me walking into modularland blind, and then complaining about the wires.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"