Good morning from Texas - and quite nearly a happy new 2020 for ya'll around the world!
Here's one for the ages (a common question I'm sure) but I've burned through a fairly exhaustive
set of product manuals and vids (both for my VST and Tracktion) - and unfortunately, MOST of my holiday "off" time was spent grinding my brain with little to no success...please allow me to
paint my particular picture and explain this as succinctly as possible - thanks!
DAW - T7
VST - Garritan Instant Orchestra (yes, it's an oldie but goody - and updated to latest rev btw)
MIDI Interface - Using my MotifXS USB/MIDI cable (from keyboard to PC/USB slot) - that's it for now
No audio interface is being utilized (that will come at a later time) - just MIDI only at this time.
Signal monitoring is via my PC's sound card.
The setup DOES respond/play/record and perform accordingly (Track 1/CH 1) - but I lack the understanding to record the other patches on adjacent tracks so that ONE instance of the VST will play them concordantly.
Example scenario:
Instant Orchestra patch has 4 voices within it (each of which I can alter/change/select the MIDI channel if I choose to etc). 3 of the 4 voices are combined on CH 1, while the 4th voice is on CH2.
So - the intention is to record a few phrases on TRK1 utilizing the combined voices via MIDI channel 1 - then on a separate track - use the same instance of the VST to record a melody line using the 4th voice slotted for MIDI channel 2.
Easy as pie - errr...
So, let me state, I DO understand that I COULD open instance after instance of the plugin and
record as many tracks as my PC can handle - but something in the back of my brain says there
HAS to be an alternative approach - yes?
I say this because I can remember seeing somewhere - someone had a drum VST going
and each part (snare, tom, cymbal etc) was on it's own unique channel (as an example) - although, upon further thought, that could have been for EQ purposes though - hmmmm.
Regarding the above - I HAVE seen videos of other people breaking out their Instant Orchestra VST
and doing exactly what I'm speaking of - BUT - of course the video showcases another unfamiliar DAW with it's own idiosyncrasies...so I KNOW it's possible!
So frustrating...HULK SMASH!!! LOL
I know there is more than one approach here - and BELIEVE me, I would LOVE to hear of a few.
I really appreciate any comments - thank you for your time in advance.
Meanwhile, I'll keep trying to slug it out on my end!
Kind Regards,
Eric
How To Break Out and Record a 16 part VST?
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- KVRian
- 524 posts since 16 Mar, 2017
Working off the top of my head as I don't have it in front of me right now...
Start by creating the tracks. Create the VI on one of them. Right-click and choose to wrap the VI in a plugin rack (I don't remember the exact name of the option but it should be easy enough to spot).
Add the MIDI data to the track(s) and make sure they are set to feed the correct MIDI channels. If you have a combined MIDI event that works for all of them, I believe you should be able to place it on any one of the tracks.
Open the editor for the rack and drag the symbol to create a new instance of the plugin into the mixer area for the other tracks.
Wire the individual outputs from the plugin to the connectors for the corresponding tracks (on the right side).
Start by creating the tracks. Create the VI on one of them. Right-click and choose to wrap the VI in a plugin rack (I don't remember the exact name of the option but it should be easy enough to spot).
Add the MIDI data to the track(s) and make sure they are set to feed the correct MIDI channels. If you have a combined MIDI event that works for all of them, I believe you should be able to place it on any one of the tracks.
Open the editor for the rack and drag the symbol to create a new instance of the plugin into the mixer area for the other tracks.
Wire the individual outputs from the plugin to the connectors for the corresponding tracks (on the right side).
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 28 Dec, 2019
Thank you fde101 - I shall give that a go throughout the day - other suggestions are still welcomed everyone (as I slug along).
If/when I have achieved nirvana, I will report back!
If/when I have achieved nirvana, I will report back!
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 8 posts since 28 Dec, 2019
UPDATE:
*EDIT* = Before doing ANY of the below - I placed my VST on an arbitrary track (say, track17) and routed each of my MIDI track's OUTPUT (1 THRU 16; aka, track DESTINATION) to THAT track.
In my case, I needed to create 16 VIRTUAL MIDI INPUTS -
Each one needed to be "assigned" to my MIDI input of choice (in my case the MOTIF-XS6-1; for ex.)
*SETTINGS TAB/MIDI DEVICES/SELECT MIDI INPUTS (pull down) tab - to the immediate RIGHT of
the MIDI channel's name/alias tab*
Then - in the same MIDI settingS tab - for each virtual midi channel - I had to give it (edit/input) a specific CHANNEL.
Quite simply - Virtual MIDI channels 1 thru 16 were assigned MIDI TX Channels 1 thru 16 consecutively.
Meaning, MIDI Virtual CH-1 would transmit data over MIDI channel 1, and so on...(just for continuity's sake of course).
A completely INSANE person COULD assign anything to anywhere...but this methodology keeps me from losing
any more hair (and sleep) than I already have in my already aged lifetime...LOL
So, with THAT - I am now able to achieve what I've set out to do using Instant Orchestra:
Isolate each MIDI channel and layer/record patches according to I/O's (Instant Orchestra) MIDI mapping (which is also freely editable)...but NOW...NOW I know how to link the two and manage them with a SANE presence of mind....LOL
Got 5 instruments all stacked and sounding epic (responding to MIDI CH-1) on a track? Yes - no problem.
Now, want to loop that and audition say, a flute (or whatever) that is on MIDI CH-2? Yeup - no problemo,
insert (in my case) virtual MIDI CH-2 and boom - I am good to go!
I sincerely HOPE that someone in the universe may find this one day - and that it will be helpful to their
Tracktion/VST situation - and at least give it a try - and hopefully - it just might work for them too!
Happy Recording!
Kind Regards,
Eric
*EDIT* = Before doing ANY of the below - I placed my VST on an arbitrary track (say, track17) and routed each of my MIDI track's OUTPUT (1 THRU 16; aka, track DESTINATION) to THAT track.
In my case, I needed to create 16 VIRTUAL MIDI INPUTS -
Each one needed to be "assigned" to my MIDI input of choice (in my case the MOTIF-XS6-1; for ex.)
*SETTINGS TAB/MIDI DEVICES/SELECT MIDI INPUTS (pull down) tab - to the immediate RIGHT of
the MIDI channel's name/alias tab*
Then - in the same MIDI settingS tab - for each virtual midi channel - I had to give it (edit/input) a specific CHANNEL.
Quite simply - Virtual MIDI channels 1 thru 16 were assigned MIDI TX Channels 1 thru 16 consecutively.
Meaning, MIDI Virtual CH-1 would transmit data over MIDI channel 1, and so on...(just for continuity's sake of course).
A completely INSANE person COULD assign anything to anywhere...but this methodology keeps me from losing
any more hair (and sleep) than I already have in my already aged lifetime...LOL
So, with THAT - I am now able to achieve what I've set out to do using Instant Orchestra:
Isolate each MIDI channel and layer/record patches according to I/O's (Instant Orchestra) MIDI mapping (which is also freely editable)...but NOW...NOW I know how to link the two and manage them with a SANE presence of mind....LOL
Got 5 instruments all stacked and sounding epic (responding to MIDI CH-1) on a track? Yes - no problem.
Now, want to loop that and audition say, a flute (or whatever) that is on MIDI CH-2? Yeup - no problemo,
insert (in my case) virtual MIDI CH-2 and boom - I am good to go!
I sincerely HOPE that someone in the universe may find this one day - and that it will be helpful to their
Tracktion/VST situation - and at least give it a try - and hopefully - it just might work for them too!
Happy Recording!
Kind Regards,
Eric
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vitocorleone123 vitocorleone123 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=333504
- KVRAF
- 2504 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW
Shouldn't have to create any virtual inputs to make it work - a wrapper should be able to do it all. The wrapper will create outputs. I've done Kontakt this way with a drum machine library.
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 30 Mar, 2014
-create 16 empty tracks
-drag your vst onto track 1
-wrap that vst in a rack
-copy/drag that rack onto tracks 2-16
-wire up the outputs in the rack - you should be able to use the auto wire outputs consecutively. All outputs are now set correctly - 16 stereo pairs on 16 consecutive tracks.
-drag a midi patch bay (tracktion plugin) onto EACH track in FRONT OF the rack you just created.
- On each track 2 thru 16, change the patch bay like this
(track 2) midi channel 1:2
(track 3) midi channel 1:3
(track 4) midi channel 1:4
Etc
on the input selection - use just your primary midi input(no virtual) and use 'default midi device follows selection on input' option.
You should now be able to switch from track to track and the individual instrument and outputs will follow accordingly.
If you want to play more than one instrument at a time from your single input device - you can use your virtual devices for this - but switch the midi channel back to 1 on all of those virtual device definitions.
-drag your vst onto track 1
-wrap that vst in a rack
-copy/drag that rack onto tracks 2-16
-wire up the outputs in the rack - you should be able to use the auto wire outputs consecutively. All outputs are now set correctly - 16 stereo pairs on 16 consecutive tracks.
-drag a midi patch bay (tracktion plugin) onto EACH track in FRONT OF the rack you just created.
- On each track 2 thru 16, change the patch bay like this
(track 2) midi channel 1:2
(track 3) midi channel 1:3
(track 4) midi channel 1:4
Etc
on the input selection - use just your primary midi input(no virtual) and use 'default midi device follows selection on input' option.
You should now be able to switch from track to track and the individual instrument and outputs will follow accordingly.
If you want to play more than one instrument at a time from your single input device - you can use your virtual devices for this - but switch the midi channel back to 1 on all of those virtual device definitions.