you forgot bruceBlackWinny wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:50 pmfoosnark wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:59 pmGo listen to Switched-On Bach, or better yet, any of Isao Tomita's works from 1974-1982 and you'll hear what "a toy" can do. That is... with skill, understanding of synthesis and sound design, and practice, and a little effort (it's not even that much effort).
Excellent reply, foosnark !
And we could add many great musicians who still love these old analog synths from the pre-preset era and who today keep on making music using them in their tracks (and sometimes ONLY them in some tracks) : Rick Wakeman, Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis, John Carpenter, Jordan Rudess, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Kitaro, Klaus Schulze, Patrick Moraz, Paul Haslinger (in many of his movie soundtracks as well as in his Tangerine Dream parts), Johannes Schmoelling (idem and in many TV signature tunes), Tim Blake, Peter Gabriel, Vince Clarke, Hans Zimmer, Christopher Franke, Richard Tandy, Roger Joseph Manning Jr, Paul Meany, Nick Rhodes (I really like this guy!), Suzanne Ciani, Michael Cretu (Enigma, you don't know?), Francis Rimbert, Jónsi (from Sigur Rós), Claudio Simonetti (from the Goblin band, known for their crazy soundtracks made with old analog synths), Jerome Froese (Edgar's son), all the Kraftwerk members...
roman.i, would you say that all these famous composers and producers consider the old analog synths, even from before the preset era, as toys for entertainments ?!?
Were (are still) the Analogue Systems RS-Integrator, the Aries 300, the ARP 2600, the ARP Odyssey, ARP Solina String Synthesizer, the Doepfer modular, the EMS VCS3 and Synthi AKS, the Farfisa Syntorchestra (Klaus Schulze's fetish instrument for years), the Korg Delta, the Korg Mono/Poly, the Korg MS-20 (and even the bigger MS-50), the huge Korg PS-3300, the Moog Modular, the Minimoog, the Roland SH-5, the Roland SH-7, the Roland SH-101, the Roland System 100 (and even the huge System 700), the SCi Pro-One, the Steiner-Parker Synthacon, the Yamaha CS-80, the huge Yamaha GX-1, etc. only toys for entertainments ?!?
Not only all these synths were widely used by famous musicians of their epoch... but they are still used by great musicians, composers and producers, of today ! And they don't seem to think that they are just toys ! Their use is indeed not as easy as with the synths of today, they need a different organization in the production methods as well as in the time to spend with them to make tracks... but they are definitely not toys at all and are still fully effective instruments for real musicians !
There are today too many people who are probably not but "home musicians" and just "internet producers" and perhaps mainly "forum musicians" who don't go and see what really great musicians still do today... and who think that the world began only when they were born.
And in addition, we can add a precision : the fact that a synth is analog doesn't mean that it hasn't any preset system. All those I cited above didn't have any preset memory (just a few had a very rudimentary and very partial and extremely limited memory, as the CS-80 for example), but many analog synths had digitally controlled analog devices (a DCO is not a digital oscillator as many people think, a DCO is a real analog oscillator but digitally controlled, same for DCF, same thing for DCA, same thing for many DSP sections, etc.) and some other new synths didn't get the digital controls but another type of very accurate analog control, and hence while pure analog synths concerning the signal path they were capable of much better stability but also were capable of using built-in memory for presets. That's what made possible the creation of a new generation of many new analog synths as the SCi Prophet-5, the Roland Juno-60, the Roland Jupiter-8, the Roland JX8P and JX10, the ARP Quadra, the Korg Polysix, the Korg Poly-61 and Poly-800, the Moog Voyager, the Moog Memorymoog, several Oberheim models, several Casio models (they didn't make only the digital CZ-series, they made also great analog synths based on real analog components and circuits but very cleverly digitally controlled) etc. And there are still today many true analog synths (not using an analog modellisation but using true analog components) which are nowadays released every year, as some new Korg analog synths, some new Arturia analog synths, some new Moog analog synths, etc.
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