Bazile - a Monster, i have a question though

[BasariStudios]

After some years of Euro experience Bazile to me now is even
more capable of being a Monster then when i first got it.
At the time i had no clue what half the things were.
2 questions though, what is the equivalent of 1v/O on the inputs
of the Oscillators and how does the Quantizer work?

Thanks

[mholloway]

hey..........................RTFM

I don't know what your first question is regarding, 1v/O? Can you be more specific?

"Quantizer
Signals are effectively forced towards discrete, equally-spaced ‘voltages’ i.e. steps. The central knob controls the number of those steps."

If you did spend time in the modular world, this concept should not be foreign to you...? There are too many example uses, but here's one: you want the sequencer output to be limited to just 12 notes, so you run your sequencer output through the quantizer, set to 12, and then run the quantizer into the pitch modulation of the osc (also set to 12). The quantizer forces the note outputs into the specified range....which is what quantization is.

[BasariStudios]

Thanks. Actually Quantizers are the MOST i use in Euro the last 4 years, i have well over 12 Quantizing Modules. My question is Bazile specific since it has just 1 knob and no other parameter. My first question is just about a standard v/O input on an Oscillator.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

If you're talking about the V/Oct inputs of a Eurorack oscillator that's generally used for tracking pitch from a sequencer or keyboard, that's pretty much pre-wired behind the scenes for you. But, Bazille still has the Tuning Modulation input, which is comparable and allows you to take the voltages from the step sequencer and route them to the tuning of the oscillator to create pitches. Now, if you need those pitches quantized, as mentioned, go through the quantizer first.

Note however: you can't easily quantize to a particular scale or user-defined set of notes. At least, not that I know of. So you couldn't just set a scale of C, Eb, F, G, Bb and have all voltages fixed to that user-defined scale. So if you've used something like Quantum in VCV Rack, there's nothing comparable in Bazille (again, that I know of - would love to be wrong - Hive2 now has this).

You could do some math and get there with the step sequencer. Like set the tuning modulation to 12 or 24, run it through a quantizer, and tune by ear. Or you could use the mapping generators which have some quantization options and do the same thing.

[justin3am]

I really wish there was a Eurorack quantizer, like the one in Bazille!

The Quantizer is more like a bit crusher. It's useful for constraining smooth modulations (like sine/triangle LFOs or envelopes) to specific values but instead of using note values, it uses numeric values. So if you route a triangle LFO through the quantizer, with a setting of 12, and you route it to a frequency modulation input with a depth of 12, you will get stepped modulation with steps which make up semitones of an octave (two octaves, if using a bipolar modulation source?). Since the quantization is based on amplitude, not timing, you can get really interesting staircase modulations. The steps will always be at the same value but at rates not determined by a clock.
The Quantizer can also be useful for some logic functions. When set to a value of 1, it turns anything into a square wave, or a series of pulses when using more complex signals.

If you want something that works like a musical quantizer (where you can mask specific notes), I would recommend the Mapping Generators. You still need to enter note values numerically and it can be a pain to setup more than an octave or two of notes but it's do-able.

[Howard]

You still need to enter note values numerically and it can be a pain to setup more than an octave or two of notes but it's do-able.

Of course if you restrict the map to only 12 bars, you only have to set up a single octave. The map will still apply to all octaves.

[Urs]

I'm looking forward to do a feature update for Bazille at some point which includes Hive's "in scale transpose" feature for the oscillators - which basically is what quantizers based on musical scales do in Eurorack.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Don't you worry that ACE will start to feel neglected if she doesn't get a scale quantizer and some of the other processors too? Please don't forget about ACE just because she's the older sibling.

[EvilDragon]

I always thought about ACE as a "he".

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I always thought about ACE as a "he".

The good ones are always "she." Only the bad synths are "he's." So it is said. So it is written.

[justin3am]

You still need to enter note values numerically and it can be a pain to setup more than an octave or two of notes but it's do-able.

Of course if you restrict the map to only 12 bars, you only have to set up a single octave. The map will still apply to all octaves.

Yes, I understand but that's only when using Key mode, right? If you are using Map Quantize mode with an LFO as the source, you still need to setup steps for each note, correct? If you want to mask different notes across more than two octaves, things get trickier. That's what I meant. When you are working with 12 or 24 notes, the tools (like the ramp shape and quantize 12 or 24) are super useful for creating custom scales but if you want to exclude a note, only in the third octave, you need to do a bit more clicking around.

Really I was just trying to illustrate that the Mapping Generators have so many uses that may not be obvious to everyone. Are there any templates which illustrate the use of Mapping Generators as scale quantizers?

[Urs]

Don't you worry that ACE will start to feel neglected if she doesn't get a scale quantizer and some of the other processors too? Please don't forget about ACE just because she's the older sibling.

What makes you think that what I said doesn't extend to ACE as well?

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Don't you worry that ACE will start to feel neglected if she doesn't get a scale quantizer and some of the other processors too? Please don't forget about ACE just because she's the older sibling.

What makes you think that what I said doesn't extend to ACE as well?

Just checkin...

[nilhartman]

I'm looking forward to do a feature update for Bazille at some point which includes Hive's "in scale transpose" feature for the oscillators - which basically is what quantizers based on musical scales do in Eurorack.

Bazille getting (some of) Hive 2s features would be absolutely stellar.