KVR Audio

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:42 pm

well kagemusha when i buy my laptop i'll be able to install Reason 2.5,atmosphere,trilogy,NI's electric piano on it as propellerhead,spectrasonics and native instruments have no problem with me using their software on other PC's i own but steinberg don't seem to want me to do this...........

Roll on the day i have the balls to buy a MAC and switch to logic...

neverwhere2012 · Post by **neverwhere2012** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:42 pm

i think there's an entirely more concerning issue at hand here. i mean, has anyone else given thought to the fact that maybe if this guy was devoting time to playing with his girlfriend instead of playing with cubase, this thread probably wouldn't exist? you have a second dongle, pal. it doesn't go in your laptop. start using it before your notebook doesn't have a girlfriend's house to be brought to.

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:44 pm

neverwhere2012 wrote:i think there's an entirely more concerning issue at hand here. i mean, has anyone else given thought to the fact that maybe if this guy was devoting time to playing with his girlfriend instead of playing with cubase, this thread probably wouldn't exist? you have a second dongle, pal. it doesn't go in your laptop. start using it before your notebook doesn't have a girlfriend's house to be brought to.

Ok your funny , but thats the type of reply i'd expect at cubase.net

j_T · Post by **j_T** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:48 pm

Banjostar wrote:Isn't SX2 cracked, it uses a dongle? How long do you think it takes before SX3 is cracked?

Interesting question. Just had a look. It's ... err ... available without dongle ...

Regards,

Tommy

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:49 pm

Banjostar wrote:
ericj23 wrote:just to clear something the following products have not been cracked

halion 3, sx 3, hypersonic 1.1, culture 1.5 or any other yellow tools product, logic 7

the common reason for this - they all use dongles

this is the reason for it - but what are the millions of bugs in sx3 - mine is absolutely fine - OK a few odd things happen when using the in-place editor - but i never use that anyhoo
Isn't SX2 cracked, it uses a dongle? How long do you think it takes before SX3 is cracked?

well the cubase/nuendo 2 dongle took 3 months and was i beleive described as the hardest peice of work ever done - all the products aboce have come out since then and havent been cracked after considerably more than 3 months -

but i guess that the crackers will be desperate to get cubase sorted so i'd give it about the time it takes steinberg to get sx 4 out

kagemusha · Post by **kagemusha** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:49 pm

original flipper wrote:HI

Hate to sound like a moaner 'Kagemusha' but aren't you moaning about the moaners ?

Just an observation - I have no preference one way or the other; I am happy to moan and only slightly more happier to not moan - and just be critical, but I am exceedingly content when I am neither moaning nor being overly excitable; that just leads to unrestrained happiness - which causes others to moan.

Flipper.

Was thinking the same thing; that I was just moaning about whiners. So I deleted it... and then saw your post.
I rather read some informative stuff instead of nonsence for the only reason to complain.
It's quit anoying if you want some thing sort out and search on Cubase.Net to find only endless complaints but no actual answers to some questions.

kagemusha · Post by **kagemusha** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:53 pm

CANE CREEK wrote:...
Roll on the day i have the balls to buy a MAC and switch to logic...

Well it won't change anything.
- 1 dongle
- 2 dongle double price
But hey the logic dongle has a nice ring to attached to your keys

My logic is sitting in it's box. And my mac is adopted by someone else

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:07 pm

CANE CREEK wrote: Roll on the day i have the balls to buy a MAC and switch to logic...

I believe that Logic uses a dongle too

If I can get Cubase SX3 as a crack without a dongle, perhaps I'l switch back

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:10 pm

HI

Yea but the thing about the bloody Logic Dongle is you only get one; and secondly the ring on the dongle makes it impossible to place the dongle neatly in the dongle case when its not thrust in a spare usb orifice.

But it is a nice dongle, although IMO it is not in the same league as the SX dongle, I mean the SX dongle uses 100% VIRGIN pure resin, I don't think Apple can honestly say with any truthfullness that they use pure unadulterated materials in their dongle.

Flipper.

mojkarma · Post by **mojkarma** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:43 pm

I'd like to give some clarification to you cane creek, because it seems that you don't want to understand:

You can use your copy of Cubase on any computer you have and want. You just have to put your dongle in. The same will happen if you purchase Logic. Logic will not solve your problems in that area.
Regarding other software you mentioned: I'm not sure if you can install NI's instruments on as many computers as you want because they use a challenge/response key and the company will hardly give you more than two keys.
You get a clear answer over at steinbergs cubase forum.
Again, please read the software statements (EULA) before you install anything anywhere.

The only sequencer (as I know) that doesn't use a serious copy protection is Sonar. This is maybe so because it is a software mainly used in the USA where are not so many crack users like here in Europe. So they don't have to care about the copy protection in the same way like Steinberg, Emagic or Magix. To add just my two cents, I own Sonar3 PE and I think that it is not quite comparable to Cubase or Logic. There are just to many features missing and even in the workflow there are a lot of things that could be vastly improved, but it seems to me that Cakewalk doesn't make any change or improvement unless their users start to scream (audio metronome, mute tool, surround, to name a few).

burkek · Post by **burkek** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 6:55 pm

Cakewalk Sonar 4 is out.

Audio metronome. Surround. Duh.

KEv

Skaven83 · Post by **Skaven83** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:13 pm

I think the worst case scenario for a music software company is: people who pay for their software are unhappy and they who get a cracked version are happy. This is what has happened with e.g. Steinberg and their dongles. Why should they expect someone to buy their software if people have to fight with all sorts of security dongles, when those crackheads are out there very happy with their dongle-free software? Someone pointed out that the software will get cracked anyway, so why not just have a serial-key like sonar? I totally agree with that point... besides it will save the company money when they don't have to include the (pricey?) security option of a dongle.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:15 pm

mojkarma wrote: The only sequencer (as I know) that doesn't use a serious copy protection is Sonar.

Well, there are others too. Big hitters among professionals include Live 4 - challenge/response - and Adobe Audition 1.5 (audio only) - serial number.

Also worthy of mention: Mackie's Tracktion - registration key. FL Studio - registration code.

Also Podium, energyXT, and many others...

Cracks may exist for these programmes, I'm sure, but I would suggest that users will buy registered copies if:

a) they have respect for the developer (which has to be mutual - i.e. difficult to respect Steinberg or Apple/Emagic when they treat their customers like crooks!)

b) the product is fairly priced (i.e. not Steinberg, ALL of whose products are overpriced compared to similar products from other developers)

When developers like Steinberg - whose products, let's face it, have been full of bugs and behind the competition for some years now - have the arrogance to charge significantly above the going rate for their products AND the audacity to treat their customers like criminals in their implementation of copy protection, then they act like a magnet to the crackers. And if you ask me, they deserve what's coming to them.

The world is changing, and the old guard better clean up their act before talented newer developers put them out of business for good.

kagemusha · Post by **kagemusha** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:20 pm

Skaven83 wrote:I think the worst case scenario for a music software company is: people who pay for their software are unhappy and they who get a cracked version are happy. This is what has happened with e.g. Steinberg and their dongles. Why should they expect someone to buy their software if people have to fight with all sorts of security dongles, when those crackheads are out there very happy with their dongle-free software? Someone pointed out that the software will get cracked anyway, so why not just have a serial-key like sonar? I totally agree with that point... besides it will save the company money when they don't have to include the (pricey?) security option of a dongle.

First:
I never had to fight with the cubase dongle. It just sits there in the background unnoticed. I can't say there was ever a problem which could be the "interfering" of the dongle or its drivers.

Second:
I don't think crackheads are happy, because they have probally an application which doesn't work as it should. they have all kinds of strange artefacts which are related to the fact that it's cracked.

Don't be foold perhaps they can startup a cracked application but I'm convinced that all kinds of routines are making that the app will not work as it should.

Why is it that a lot of Cubase.net visitors have problems which I never have. always the same stuff from newly registerd people.

I also think I would rather have a serial number, it can't break. But I can't say it's an annoyance eather
There was never a problem with the logic parallel-dongle, later xskey and nor with the SX dongle.

Goa Head · Post by **Goa Head** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:28 pm

kagemusha wrote: But hey the logic dongle has a nice ring to attached to your keys

So does the SX dongle.

Behind the competition for years? How do you figure?

cubase sx dongle im annoyed!!!!