I was thinking in terms of the loyalty program. If all the expansions were in a single plugin then someone could claim that rather than having to claim a single expansion for their perpetual license. Nothing else makes sense to me, it's too stupid to have them as separate plugins when the interface need not be different.Atlatnesiti wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:25 amDon’t understand the “greed” comment.Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:11 amOf course korg are sensible about including all expansions in stuff like the wavestation, triton and m1. Roland making separate plugins is a perfect example of how greed is getting in the way of common sense and what would obviously be better for users.Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:00 amHate to say it but I think roland modelling is ahead of korg. And when it comes to the legacy collection the Roland cloud interfaces are also much better. But the cloud stuff is a mess. As described in my other thread. I’m not sure about the triton, never really cared about that but I do have the rest of the
legacy. Odyssey is great, the other analogs are ok. Not same level as Roland cloud. I would love to see Korg step it up with the other analog emulations.
All Roland expansion packs are free for registered users, all you need is download them. Talk about common sense...
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Echoes in the Attic
- 7703 posts since 12 May, 2008
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- 538 posts since 14 May, 2014
Everything you said, particularly the first one, are all things I agree with. From the very beginning, they should have just made one single JV1080 with all the expansions loaded up. Releasing expansion cards as individual plugins is redundant and makes no sense. It probably even takes longer to develop that way with a separate GUI for each of them and these plugins take enough time as they are.EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:30 amKorg took a long time to come out with Triton plugin, yes, but it beats Roland's JV/XV rompler plugins in pretty much everything:
1. all expansions available in a SINGLE PLUGIN
2. much nicer UI (no separate modal window for preset browsing, and also a better preset browser where you don't have to freaking double-click to load a patch)
3. lower CPU usage (by half, comparing in Reaper. Instantiating JV-1080 I see my RT CPU going to 9.5% and staying there, when I load Triton it goes to 4.4% CPU and staying there. Reaching max polyphony of 64 (to match Roland's plugin) Triton uses a decent chunk less CPU)
4. increased polyphony compared to the hardware version (whereas Roland slavishly copies polyphony limitations of their hardware)
5. actually multitimbral (Roland's plugins play only a single patch, in Triton you can combine 8 patches, have them respond over different MIDI channels, etc.)
6. no cloud
Given Korg's long-standing preference for hardware, it's a small miracle the Triton came out which was the only thing I could ever ask for from them. At this point, I'm just crossing my fingers on a JD800 and a V-Synth as a bonus (not as essential, but I certainly won't knock it) from Roland. Fortunately, it's not really a question if "if' as opposed to 'when'. The very existence of Roland Cloud is honestly a bit of an assurance because at least we know a service exists that is going through Roland's legacy catalog and releasing all this old gear as plugins to begin with. While it's debatable if anyone's requests really means anything at all, it's at least plausible that someone's favorite will be released sooner or later. It makes rushing out to buy any Roland legacy gear pretty fruitless when you can just be patient for it to come out (though it could be a veeery long wait by the looks of things).
(now if only Waldorf could release their old stuff as plugins)
- 1462 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
I think Roland analog vsts actually use some kind of hardware emulation, so emulating their plugout hardware in the plugin. The whole synth/fx dsp logic then seems to be coded in some kind of scripting language. Therefore it constantly consumes a lot of cpu (not even being dependent on polyphony amount), because of this strange emulation JIT runtime thing inside. A wild theory. Korg does not do such a crazy thing.
- 538 posts since 14 May, 2014
Possibly! then again, as far as emulations go, Korg has their stuff nailed. The M1 Legacy VST sounds spot-on to this day and it was originally released way back in 2004.Hanz Meyzer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:49 amI think Roland analog vsts actually use some kind of hardware emulation, so emulating their plugout hardware in the plugin. The whole synth/fx dsp logic then seems to be coded in some kind of scripting language. Therefore it constantly consumes a lot of cpu (not even being dependent on polyphony amount), because of this strange emulation JIT runtime thing inside. A wild theory. Korg does not do such a crazy thing.