One of my favorite things about Sonar is the ability to install it on my DAW, my laptop, and even on my PC at work. No dongle to carry around and no hassles from Cakewalk, as long as I am not running those computers at the same time.
Robert
cubase sx dongle im annoyed!!!!
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Sounds good - does Sonar just use a serial number, then?Rabid wrote:One of my favorite things about Sonar is the ability to install it on my DAW, my laptop, and even on my PC at work. No dongle to carry around and no hassles from Cakewalk, as long as I am not running those computers at the same time.
Robert
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- KVRian
- 1238 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Kentucky
Just a serial number to install, and you register online so that you can download updates. No challenge response system. Just register the serial number the first time you install, then skip it any future time.headquest wrote:Sounds good - does Sonar just use a serial number, then?Rabid wrote:One of my favorite things about Sonar is the ability to install it on my DAW, my laptop, and even on my PC at work. No dongle to carry around and no hassles from Cakewalk, as long as I am not running those computers at the same time.
Robert
Robert
All I need to be happy is one more VSTi.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
That sounds good, and a fair way of including copy-protection without penalising legitimate users.Rabid wrote: Just a serial number to install, and you register online so that you can download updates. No challenge response system. Just register the serial number the first time you install, then skip it any future time.
Robert
I think that using registration as a key to additional services and updates online is a good incentive that encourages people to buy the software legitimately.
It is also less paranoid than inflicting dongles on all legitimate paying customers!
I think the long-term solution will be for law-enforcement to take cracking more seriously, as they finally are with illegal music downloads.
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- KVRAF
- 9064 posts since 1 Aug, 2003
- what if it goes broken? mine has, took me hours to get back to the shop and i was lucky, as they gave me a new one straight away - i don't think steinberg liked that.kagemusha wrote:First:
I never had to fight with the cubase dongle. It just sits there in the background unnoticed. I can't say there was ever a problem which could be the "interfering" of the dongle or its drivers.
Second:
I don't think crackheads are happy, because they have probally an application which doesn't work as it should. they have all kinds of strange artefacts which are related to the fact that it's cracked.
- what if steinberg goes down and your dongle dies / gets stolen / whatever?
- you obviously don't have a laptop too...
- why use a USB connector for something you (the customer) don't need?
- why include costly hardware at the buyer's expense?
- crackheads may have problems, but dongles aren't one of them. it's only natural that a paying customer envies them for the advantage they get.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Excellent points all round, cptgone 
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A local secondary school near me has multiple copies of Cubase SX installed in their studio/computer suite for use with their GCSE and A' level Music Tech classes.
They have had problems with the occasional dongle being broken by teenagers, or going astray.
When asking Steinberg for advice the response they received was ... ahem ... very rude indeed.
Which is deeply sad, whatever your view of the software itself.
.A local secondary school near me has multiple copies of Cubase SX installed in their studio/computer suite for use with their GCSE and A' level Music Tech classes.
They have had problems with the occasional dongle being broken by teenagers, or going astray.
When asking Steinberg for advice the response they received was ... ahem ... very rude indeed.
Which is deeply sad, whatever your view of the software itself.
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- KVRist
- 391 posts since 28 Apr, 2002
For that reason, It tried hard to fall in love with Sonar, but it was never to be. I find that I'm more suited to the Cubase way of working. Not across the board, but mostly. Mapping hardware controllers in Cubase is a mess but is very nicely handled in Sonar for example. I hated the idea of a dongle as well. I actually have Cubase System 4, (Cubase SL 2.2 build 37 with included hardware USB interface) It doesn't need a dongle because of the hardware interface. The interface is very very nice. Cubase SL is as buggy and unreliable as the rest of them.Rabid wrote:One of my favorite things about Sonar is the ability to install it on my DAW, my laptop, and even on my PC at work. No dongle to carry around and no hassles from Cakewalk, as long as I am not running those computers at the same time.
Robert
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- KVRist
- 161 posts since 31 May, 2004
I also own the System4 with Cubase SL2. I have build my own computer 2 months ago, installed Cubase SL2, work with it every day for a few hours, 20 or more tracks, audio, midi, vst's, effects, live recording, almost everything. I hardly remember if it chrased one or two times. What are the bugs you are talking about?Cubase SL is as buggy and unreliable as the rest of them.
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- KVRist
- 123 posts since 15 Mar, 2004 from closer than you think
That's interesting. We had exactly the same situation and they were very helpful - sent us out a whole load of spares (which makes me wonder if they're somehow blank dongles since it doesn't matter which ones go in which machine).headquest wrote:Excellent points all round, cptgone
A local secondary school near me has multiple copies of Cubase SX installed in their studio/computer suite for use with their GCSE and A' level Music Tech classes.
They have had problems with the occasional dongle being broken by teenagers, or going astray.
When asking Steinberg for advice the response they received was ... ahem ... very rude indeed...
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- KVRAF
- 3476 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from NE Ohio, USA
Two things to be aware of:Rabid wrote:Just a serial number to install, and you register online so that you can download updates. No challenge response system. Just register the serial number the first time you install, then skip it any future time.headquest wrote:Sounds good - does Sonar just use a serial number, then?Rabid wrote:One of my favorite things about Sonar is the ability to install it on my DAW, my laptop, and even on my PC at work. No dongle to carry around and no hassles from Cakewalk, as long as I am not running those computers at the same time.
(1) You can't get updates (patches, point upgrades, add-ons etc) without registering your serial number.
(2) Once your serial number is registered, the software is not transferrable. This is the down-side of no dongle, etc - but I can deal just fine.
Doug
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
What is your definition of industry standard? Premiere is very well one of the best sold video editing software in the consumer market.headquest wrote: - full video support, including direct integration with industry standard Adobe Preimier and After Effects software
But it is by no means a serious competitor for pro software in that field. If there is an industry standard it would still be Avid. When talking about the cheaper solutions one might also name Final Cut Pro oder Liquid Edition next to Avid Express.
Adobe tried to give Premiere some high end touch by naming it "Premiere Pro". And some say it really got a little more pro then earlier versions.
As I understand it's the same with Audition, formerly known as "Cool Edit" which used to be a consumer product only.
Adobe does have three and a half pro apps though: Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects and Indesign.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Thanks for that basscap.basscap wrote: What is your definition of industry standard? Premiere is very well one of the best sold video editing software in the consumer market.
But it is by no means a serious competitor for pro software in that field. If there is an industry standard it would still be Avid. When talking about the cheaper solutions one might also name Final Cut Pro oder Liquid Edition next to Avid Express.
Adobe tried to give Premiere some high end touch by naming it "Premiere Pro". And some say it really got a little more pro then earlier versions.
As I understand it's the same with Audition, formerly known as "Cool Edit" which used to be a consumer product only.
Adobe does have three and a half pro apps though: Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects and Indesign.
Perhaps I belived the hype about Premier Pro
, but Audition integrates with After Effects too, which I see you approve of as a pro application .Cool Edit Pro wasn't just a consumer product only, though - you are wrong there. Many professional users worked with it - and still do (as many seem yet to have twigged that the name has changed!) Quite a few commercial reissues of old recordings were cleaned up in Cool Edit Pro.
The SOS review was also probably the best review I have ever seen for a Windows only product in that magazine.
"Cool Edit Pro deserves to be taken seriously as an audio workstation par excellence... Considering the prevalence of Macs and Mac-only software in the audio industry, it's at times like this when I enjoy being a PC user. To Mac users we can now say: nah, nah, nah!"
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul02/a ... b57e387e61
I think you may be muddling it with Cool Edit 2000, which was the baby brother application aimed at more general users.
You are right about Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign rooling the roost, too (although I still use QuarkXpress, because that's what my publisher requires
). But you forgot Acrobat - surely pretty ubiquitous, too!
If we're not careful, Adobe could take over the world!!
