Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Effects discussion
User avatar
Forgotten
KVRAF
8698 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Post Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:50 pm

vurt wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:32 am
Forgotten wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:20 am
Don’t forget dynamics - a wah or compressor should go at the start of the chain before gain pedals.
some like the wah post fuzz :P
my cock fight has a switch for pre/post :)
Yep. Basically, none of this is 'rules' - there are common places you would put types of pedal in a chain, but it's not going to kill anyone if you ignore that.

CapnLockheed
KVRAF
2307 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Central NY

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:34 pm

I agree with all of the above. The listed orders are common, especially in rock, for a reason. You can't go wrong with the tried and true. BUT, as has likewise been mentioned,
rules are meant to be broken. Have fun and experiment. Sometimes effects that were made specifically for other instruments...bass, synth etc....can sound really cool on guitar and vice versa. :D
the secrets to old age: Faster horses, Richer Women, Bigger CPU's

https://soundcloud.com/cristofe-chabot

User avatar
Dirtgrain
KVRian
526 posts since 12 Jan, 2019

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:10 pm


acousticglue
KVRian
850 posts since 27 May, 2008

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:15 pm

I did but I kept getting the pick stuck in the keys

User avatar
CrystalWizard
KVRian
1027 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit Sol III

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:16 pm

Wah after fuzz gives the ‘normal’ wah sound, fuzz after wah gives a peaky/shrieky kinda effect, using fuzz (distortion/overdrive) before a phase shifter or flanger makes a lot of harmonics for the flane/phase to work with. Compression at the very end of signal chain will tame all the possible volume peaks and valleys, compression towards the beginning will give that swell effect and feed a more even signal to other pedals. Fuzz after modulation can get sizzly. Delay early in the chain will make echoes with effects distinct on each echo, delay late in chain means the composite sound will delay as one type of sound echoing. Wah more towards the end can be used as a simple filter. Be sure to try as many combinations as possible.
gadgets an gizmos...make noise
https://soundcloud.com/crystalawareness

miloszz
KVRist
48 posts since 5 Jul, 2019

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:19 am

Everyone's covered the standards but I will say distortion/fuzz after reverb/delay can be useful and you should experiment with it.

User avatar
Autobot
KVRian
655 posts since 27 Mar, 2013

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:35 am

Thanks guys. I always started with an amp in my chain that why things sounded bad. Now I come close to good results.
I grew up on a junkyard, where I started to feed from hubcaps and bumpers

User avatar
nix808
KVRAF
4020 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:36 pm

compressor==>distorsion==>reverb

heavymetalmixer
KVRian
559 posts since 8 Jan, 2017

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:09 pm

One recomendation if you're doing this inside a DAW:
Put an EQ as the first effect, to use take the unnecessary low-end rumble with HPF. This will make anything after to sound better, mostly the amp.

User avatar
nix808
KVRAF
4020 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:33 pm

heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:09 pm
One recomendation if you're doing this inside a DAW:
Put an EQ as the first effect, to use take the unnecessary low-end rumble with HPF. This will make anything after to sound better, mostly the amp.
--that will take away any DC also, thanks for the tip mister mixer

User avatar
khanyz
KVRAF
1616 posts since 16 Jul, 2004 from Deepest Yorkshire

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:17 pm

nix808 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:33 pm
heavymetalmixer wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:09 pm
One recomendation if you're doing this inside a DAW:
Put an EQ as the first effect, to use take the unnecessary low-end rumble with HPF. This will make anything after to sound better, mostly the amp.
--that will take away any DC also, thanks for the tip mister mixer
I use an audio isolator to deal with any possible DC Offset. They are cheap and handy to have as they also do unbalanced/balanced conversion. As it is a transformer, they can colour the signal so a good quality one is advised. I use one of these (with jack and XLR ends)

http://orchid-electronics.co.uk/trans.htm

They are not to be confused with a DI, which deals with impedance and level matching (attenuation) as well as balancing, but may be transformerless so not isolating.
I miss MindPrint. My TRIO needs a big brother.

User avatar
nix808
KVRAF
4020 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:37 am

man-that's cool to know,
I have an isolator for hum, but that one is a different animal I think
khanyz wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:17 pm

resynthesis
KVRist
457 posts since 17 Sep, 2007 from Planet Thanet

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:49 am

I'm a convert to the compressor and now have a couple scattered about my boards. As well as the more traditional place in the chain, they also come in useful after things like a Qtron.

User avatar
khanyz
KVRAF
1616 posts since 16 Jul, 2004 from Deepest Yorkshire

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:50 am

nix808 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:37 am
man-that's cool to know,
I have an isolator for hum, but that one is a different animal I think
khanyz wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:17 pm
I wouldn’t think so. Is it just a passive 1:1 audio transformer?
I miss MindPrint. My TRIO needs a big brother.

User avatar
nix808
KVRAF
4020 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia

Re: Guitar fx noob. Which order of fx?

Post Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:03 am

khanyz wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:50 am
I wouldn’t think so. Is it just a passive 1:1 audio transformer?
It's a ground loop isolator, I used to need more than one when wiring a couple of old PC's audio together

Return to “Effects”